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The discussion revolves around a gravitational force problem involving a moon's orbit around a planet. Participants are tasked with finding the ratio of the maximum to minimum distances of the moon from the planet, given that the maximum gravitational force exceeds the minimum by 11%. The context is grounded in Newton's law of gravitation.

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  • Participants share their attempts at calculating the ratio rmax / rmin, with one participant expressing confusion over the textbook's answer. Questions arise regarding the definitions of rmax and rmin, particularly whether they refer to distances or points of maximum and minimum gravitational force.

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The discussion is ongoing, with several participants acknowledging ambiguities in the problem's wording. Hints have been provided that clarify the relationship between gravitational force and distance, which some participants find helpful in understanding the problem better.

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There is noted confusion regarding the definitions of rmax and rmin, and whether they correspond to the points of maximum and minimum gravitational force or simply the distances involved. This ambiguity has led to varied interpretations of the problem.

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Homework Statement


As a moon follows it's orbit around a planet, the maximum gravitational force exerted on the moon by the planet exceeds the minimum gravitational force by 11%. Find the ratio rmax / rmin, where rmax is the moon's maximum distance from the center of the planet and rmin is the minimum distance.

Homework Equations


Newton's law of Gravitation F = G m1m2 / r2

The Attempt at a Solution


I found the ratio to be, rmax / rmin = 0.949 to 3 significant digits.
My textbook says the ratio is 1.05. I think the text if wrong. Can someone try this problem and let me know what you get.
Thanks,
R.
 
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SpacemanRich said:

Homework Statement


As a moon follows it's orbit around a planet, the maximum gravitational force exerted on the moon by the planet exceeds the minimum gravitational force by 11%. Find the ratio rmax / rmin, where rmax is the moon's maximum distance from the center of the planet and rmin is the minimum distance.

Homework Equations


Newton's law of Gravitation F = G m1m2 / r2

The Attempt at a Solution


I found the ratio to be, rmax / rmin = 0.949 to 3 significant digits.
My textbook says the ratio is 1.05. I think the text if wrong. Can someone try this problem and let me know what you get.
Thanks,
R.
If rmax / rmin < 1, then rmax < rmin .

Does that make any sense?

Where is the gravitational force greater, at rmin or at rmax?
 
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SpacemanRich said:

Homework Statement


As a moon follows it's orbit around a planet, the maximum gravitational force exerted on the moon by the planet exceeds the minimum gravitational force by 11%. Find the ratio rmax / rmin, where rmax is the moon's maximum distance from the center of the planet and rmin is the minimum distance.

Homework Equations


Newton's law of Gravitation F = G m1m2 / r2

The Attempt at a Solution


I found the ratio to be, rmax / rmin = 0.949 to 3 significant digits.
My textbook says the ratio is 1.05. I think the text if wrong. Can someone try this problem and let me know what you get.
Thanks,
R.

At first I thought you were right, but there is an ambiguity in the notation. Is rmax the radius where the force is max, or is it the maximum radius? You get the two different answers depending on how you define the subscripts of the radius variable...
 
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Hint

F_{max} = \frac{Gm_1m_2}{r_{min}^2}
 
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SammyS said:
If rmax / rmin < 1, then rmax < rmin .

Does that make any sense?

Where is the gravitational force greater, at rmin or at rmax?

The gravitational force is greatest at rmin.
The confusion was over whether rmin meant the point where the moon is closest to the planet, or if it meant the variable r of the Gravitational formula for Fmin. From the responses I got, I was not the only one confused by the wording of the problem.
 
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berkeman said:
At first I thought you were right, but there is an ambiguity in the notation. Is rmax the radius where the force is max, or is it the maximum radius? You get the two different answers depending on how you define the subscripts of the radius variable...

I'm glad I was not the only one confused by the wording of the problem. The hint given by kreil clarified it, and the problem works out fine then. Thanks for your input.
 
kreil said:
Hint

F_{max} = \frac{Gm_1m_2}{r_{min}^2}

That makes it perfectly clear what I was missing when reading the problem. Now the problem works as expected.

Thanks for opening my eyes..

Regards,
Rich
 

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