Gravitational potential energy

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The discussion focuses on calculating the gravitational potential energy of a teeter toy composed of a central stick and two attached masses. The initial expression proposed for potential energy is U(θ) = mg(L - Lcos(θ)), which is evaluated against the conditions when θ equals 0 and 90 degrees. Clarification is sought on how to determine the height of the center of mass for the system, emphasizing the importance of considering the combined mass of the two weights. Participants suggest referencing external resources to better understand the center of mass concept and its application in potential energy calculations. The conversation highlights the need for precise reasoning in deriving the potential energy expression.
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Homework Statement


A teeter toy is composed of a massless central stick of length L and two massless sticks of length l attached at angles α, each with a mass m at the end (see the figure). We imagine tilting the toy by an angle θ from the upright position.

a) Find an expression for the gravitational potential energy of the whole object, as a function of θ.

Homework Equations



U=mgh

The Attempt at a Solution



U(θ) = mg(L-Lcos(θ))
 
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Lis said:
U(θ) = mg(L-Lcos(θ))
Can you provide your reasoning how you got this equation? A drawing would be helpful.
 
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Thanks for the drawing.
Lis said:
U(θ) = mg(L-Lcos(θ))
Is this correct? Let's see. It says that when θ = 0 (top figure), the potential energy is zero. That's defines your choice of reference. Your expression also says that when θ = 90o, the potential energy is mgL. Does that look right? What exactly finds itself at distance L above your reference when the toy is tipped 90o? To see how to treat the problem sensibly, consider that gravity is an external force acting on a system of two masses. Therefore we can view gravity as acting on the ____ of the two masses. (Fill in the blank.)
 
I don't think i understand you quite. Do you mean " Therefore we can view gravity as acting on the length of the two masses"?
 
You have a system of two equal masses. If you were to treat this system as if its entire mass of 2m were concentrated at one point, where would that point be?
 
on the top off L?
 
Potential energy, $$U_{total}= m_{total} \cdot g\cdot h_{center~of~mass}$$
Or you can calculate the height for the two masses separately, then calculate their respective potential energy and add them.
 
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