Gravity Concept: Is it Wave or Geometry Blending?

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The discussion revolves around the conceptual understanding of gravity, specifically whether it is best described as a wave phenomenon or as a geometric bending of spacetime. Participants explore the implications of gravitational waves and the curvature of spacetime in relation to planetary motion and orbits.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Alex expresses confusion about gravity being a wave versus a geometric bending of spacetime, seeking clarification on the concepts.
  • Some participants propose that gravitational waves can be viewed as ripples in the curvature of spacetime, suggesting a dual perspective on the nature of gravity.
  • One participant compares gravitational waves to ripples on a pond, indicating that different conceptual views can enhance understanding of gravity.
  • Another participant questions whether understanding gravity as curvature truly clarifies the nature of gravitational attraction, reflecting on the analogy of an apple rolling down a hill.
  • Alex raises a question about what initiates the motion of planets around the Sun, suggesting a possible contraction of the solar system due to gravitational effects.
  • A participant attributes the initial motion of planets to momentum from the Big Bang and discusses the balance between distance and velocity in maintaining orbits.
  • Another participant suggests that precession of planets, such as Mercury's, indicates they are getting closer to the Sun, while others challenge this interpretation based on general relativity.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the causes of planetary precession, with one suggesting the influence of an external force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether gravity is better understood as a wave or a geometric concept. Multiple competing views exist regarding the nature of gravitational waves, the motion of planets, and the causes of precession.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on interpretations of general relativity and the definitions of gravitational concepts, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Hi,
I have a conceptual problem about Gravity.

According to GR, gravity is simply a blending of space and it is NOT a force. However, I always hear that there is a so called gravitation wave. So, I am confused. Is it a wave? or a geometry blending??

Please correct me this concept.
thanks
Alex
 
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Hi Alex! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(btw, it's "bending", not "blending" :wink:)

Gravity is curvature of space, and gravitational waves are ripples in the curvature.
 
Consider the ripples on a ponds surface, they propagate as a wave and they also warp the surface of the pond. You are essentially looking at the same thing from different viewpoints conceptually, describing the same thing in different ways. The value is that how we understand something and describe it allows us to see a set of characteristics, so if we can view the same thing in several ways and extract different characteristics from each view, we gain a deeper understanding of the underlying principles that govern that thing.
 
Thanks Tim for correcting me my word. I am a self-learner in physics and I am excited to come here. It is an informative forum.

LouMazero, so it means my understanding are valid for both bending and wave concept.
 
I like this question! It's said that the curvature of spacetime makes objects "roll" ("ripple"?)towards the source of the curvature, right? But does this really make gravity any more understood? Before, we just questioned why an apple rolls down a hill. Now we get to question why matter rolls down curved spacetime! Is this right or is there a way to understand this that I just haven't run across yet?
 
When I asked this question, I have thought another question.
Einstein's brilliant idea explains the gravity and it causes our planets move around the Sun.
However, what makes the planets start to move around so that the planet can move around the curve. By the way, I can also guess that our Solar system is contracting since planets will move to the source of curvature as Hoku said.

Sorry please correct me if I have anohter misunderstand.
Alex
 
I believe what started the planets orbiting the sun was simple momentum from the big bang. Everything was already in motion as the solar system formed.

I don't think the planets are getting closer to the sun. I think there's a precise ratio between the distance of a satellite from it's "host" and the velocity of the satellite that determines whether a satellite maintains orbit, leaves orbit or plummets directly towards the source. I think this ratio is *just so* with the satellites in our solar system that gravity actually helps maintain the satellites momentum, preventing a "collapse" in it's orbit. Is this right? But if the satellite get's to close, then it begins to "contract" towards the host until it has landed.
 
I guess planets get closer to Sun because of precession of the planets. Example: Mecury has 43 degree / 100 yrs and so other planets.
 
If you mean the precession "caused" by general relativity, no …

general relativity shows that a planet orbits in an ellipse of constant shape, at the same distances, but that the ellipse very slowly turns.
 
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tiny-tim said:
If you mean the precession "caused" by general relativity, no …

general relativity shows that a planet orbits in an ellipse of constant shape, at the same distances, but that the ellipse very slowly turns.


In fact, I have no idea why the precession occurs. I just guess there is an external force that caused this effect.
 

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