B Gravity: Is it Spacetime or Mater-Dependent?

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The discussion centers on whether gravity requires matter to exist or if it has always been present. In General Relativity, the stress-energy tensor, which encompasses energy and momentum, serves as the source of gravitational effects, indicating that gravity can exist without matter. The conversation touches on whether gravity is emergent or has always existed, with no definitive conclusion reached. It is noted that General Relativity does not provide a beginning or change in gravity's rules, suggesting it has been present since shortly after the Big Bang. Ultimately, the question remains unanswered, leading to the closure of the thread.
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Do you have to have mater for the gravity field,or is gravity a thing that has all ways been.
 
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wolram said:
Do you have to have mater for the gravity field
In General Relativity, the stress-energy tensor (which includes energy and momentum) is the source of gravitational effects. This does not require that the energy is in the form of matter.
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or is gravity a thing that has all ways been.
I'm not quite sure what you are asking there. The gravitational effect of some amount of energy around a given location is similar regardless of its form, so there's no change when a given amount of radiation energy is converted to or from the corresponding amount of matter.
 
I guess what i am trying to say is, was gravity emergent, or has it all ways been or how it came to be,for if-there was no pre existing gravitational field, all we would have is a cloud of gas
 
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General relativity doesn't describe any "beginning" to gravity or any change in its rules, so according to GR it has been there at least since very shortly after the big bang (at the end of the inflation phase).

The word "emergent" when applied to scientific properties usually refers not to a point in time but rather to higher-level phenomena which arise from simpler systems but which cannot usefully be described in terms of the components.
 
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was gravity emergent, or has it all ways been or how it came to be

We don't know. Thread closed.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recombination_(cosmology) Was a matter density right after the decoupling low enough to consider the vacuum as the actual vacuum, and not the medium through which the light propagates with the speed lower than ##({\epsilon_0\mu_0})^{-1/2}##? I'm asking this in context of the calculation of the observable universe radius, where the time integral of the inverse of the scale factor is multiplied by the constant speed of light ##c##.
Why was the Hubble constant assumed to be decreasing and slowing down (decelerating) the expansion rate of the Universe, while at the same time Dark Energy is presumably accelerating the expansion? And to thicken the plot. recent news from NASA indicates that the Hubble constant is now increasing. Can you clarify this enigma? Also., if the Hubble constant eventually decreases, why is there a lower limit to its value?
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