Green's theorem and divergence integrals

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The discussion focuses on the application of Green's theorem in calculating areas using divergence integrals and curl integrals. It clarifies that while the terms "divergence" and "curl" originate from fluid dynamics, they do not directly apply to the area calculations involved in Green's theorem. Green's theorem states that the double integral of the difference of the partial derivatives of functions P and Q equals the line integral around the boundary of the region. A specific example provided is using P(x,y) = 0 and Q(x,y) = x to compute the area of a region.

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Can someone please explain to me what the physical meaning of the divergence integrals and curl integral is? In the problems I have come across, they ask us to calculate areas and etc.. using Green's theorem. Which one should I use in that case?

Thank-you very much for your help!

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I will try to restrain myself! Mathematical concepts do NOT HAVE a specific "physical meaning" because mathematics is not physics. It is true, that the names "divergence" and "curl" come from physics- or more correctly, fluid motion. If \vec{f}(x,y,z) is the velocity vector of a fluid at point (x,y,z), the div f measures the tendency of the flud to "diverge" (move away from) some central point. Similarly, curl f measures the tendency to circulate around some central point.

However, you say "they ask us to calculate area and etc. using Green's theorem".

Well, Green's theorem says
\int\int \left[\frac{\partial Q(x,y)}{\partial x}-\frac{\partial P}{\partial y}\right]dxdy= \oint P(x,y)dx+ Q(x,y)dy
which doesn't use either "div" or "grad"!

You know, surely, \int\int dx dy, taken over a given region in the xy-plane, is the area of that region. To "use Green's theorem" to find the area of a region, you just have to use functions P(x,y) and Q(x,y) such that
\frac{\partial Q(x,y)}{\partial x}- \frac{\partial P(x,y)}{\partial y}= 1.
One obvious choice is P(x,y)= 0, Q(x,y)= x. Integrating \int x dy around the boundary of a region will, according to Green's theorem, be the same as integrating 1 over the region itself- and so will give you the area of the region.
 
Thanks a ton!

Thank-you for your help. I really appreciate it!:smile:
 

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