Group velocity of a wavepacket vs its mean phase velocity

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The discussion focuses on the relationship between the mean group velocity and mean phase velocity of a wavepacket, as described by the wavefunction \(\Psi(x,t)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}}\int dk A(k)e^{i(k x - \omega(k) t)}\). The mean group velocity is defined as \(\frac{d \langle x\rangle}{dt}=\int dk |A(k)|^{2} \frac{d\omega(k)}{d k}\), while the mean phase velocity is given by \(\langle \frac{\omega(k)}{k}\rangle=\int dk |A(k)|^{2} \frac{\omega(k)}{k}\). These two formulations are equivalent in the absence of dispersion, where \(\frac{d\omega}{dk}\) remains constant. Group velocity is directly related to energy flow and information transfer, while mean phase velocity indicates the speed of phase advancement, crucial for phenomena like refraction.

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The mean velocity of a wavepacket given by the general wavefunction:
\Psi(x,t)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}}\int dk A(k)e^{i(k x - \omega(k) t)},
can be expressed in two ways.

First, we have that it's the time derivative of the mean position (i.e., its mean group velocity):
\frac{d \langle x\rangle}{dt}=\int dk |A(k)|^{2} \frac{d\omega(k)}{d k}\approx \frac{d\omega}{dk} at center frequency.

Second, we have that it is the averaged velocity of all the plane wave components of the wavepacket (i.e., the mean phase velocity):
\langle \frac{\omega(k)}{k}\rangle=\int dk |A(k)|^{2} \frac{\omega(k)}{k}.

My questions are these:
When are these two formulations of "the mean velocity" equivalent?
Which (if either) best corresponds to the speed of information transfer, or energy flow?
Thanks for reading.
 
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jfizzix said:
When are these two formulations of "the mean velocity" equivalent?
They have the same speed if you do not have dispersion, which means ##\frac{d\omega}{dk}## is constant (then ##\frac{d\omega}{dk}=\frac{\omega}{k}##).
There might be some exotic special case where the phase velocity matches group velocity even with some dispersion in some frequency range, not sure.
jfizzix said:
Which (if either) best corresponds to the speed of information transfer, or energy flow?
Energy flow is related to group velocity. The speed of information transfer is more complicated (front velocity), but for usual data transmission group velocity matters.
 
So what does the mean phase velocity tell us, exactly? If each plane-wave component is moving at a given phase velocity, and we average those over all plane wave components, what does that number tell us?
 
It tells you how fast the phase and therefore peaks are advancing, which is important for refraction, for example. If you get significant dispersion within your wave packet, then you cannot average over the phase velocities any more and you have to consider the different frequencies separately.
 

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