Groups of order 60 and elements of order 5

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The problem involves a group G of order 60, which is assumed to be simple. The task is to show that a set H, consisting of elements that can be expressed as products of elements of order 5, is a normal subgroup of G and to conclude that H equals G.

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  • Participants discuss the properties of H as a subgroup and the implications of the number of Sylow-5 subgroups. There is a debate about the nature of elements of order 5 and their role in generating subgroups.

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Some participants have provided insights into the normality of H and the implications of conjugation on element orders. There is an acknowledgment of the need to count elements in Sylow-5 subgroups to support the argument for normality.

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There is a mention of the simplicity of G, which may impose constraints on the structure of its subgroups. Additionally, the discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the generation of elements of order 5 and their combinations.

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Homework Statement



Let G be a group with order [tex]\left| G \right| = 60[/tex]. Assume that G is simple.

Now let H be the set of all elements that can be written as a product of elements of order 5 in G. Show that H is a normal subgroup of G. Then conclude that H = G

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The Attempt at a Solution



I started by proving that H acutally is a subgroup.

I've then shown that there are 6 Sylow-5 subgroups in G and that they are cyclic. I know that all the elements of order 5 are the generators of the Sylow-5 subgroups. But how I can use that to show that H is normal escapes me.

All help/hints appreciated :).
 
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Sylow, won't help you, I don't think - the elements of order 5 do not generate Sylow-5 subgroups. The product of two elements of order 5 is not necessarily an element of order 5 (or any power of 5).

H is trivially a subgroup - there is nothing to prove there. What about normality? This is straight forward - conjugation preserves order, and notice that

gxyg^{-1} = gxg^{1-}gyg^{-1}
 
Count the total number of elements in all the 5-sylow groups. Use that number to show that the subgroup must be normal
 
Thanks for the quick help. I understand the solution now o:).
 

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