Guess Who Didn't Say it? Bonus Points for Knowing the True Story

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The discussion centers around famous quotes that are commonly misattributed to well-known figures, emphasizing that these quotes were never actually spoken by them. Participants share examples like "Elementary, my dear Watson," which is often linked to Sherlock Holmes, and "Play it again, Sam," misquoted from the film Casablanca. The conversation highlights the importance of identifying the true origins of these quotes, with many being derived from literature or speeches by lesser-known individuals. Misattributions often occur when a famous person quotes someone else, leading to confusion about the original source. Overall, the thread illustrates the phenomenon of quote misattribution and encourages deeper exploration of their true contexts.
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The ground rules are to give a famous (or at least somewhat known) quote that really wasn't uttered, and definitely not uttered by the person it's attributed to.

That's important - that the quote wasn't really uttered by the person it's usually attributed to.

The object is to guess who the quote is usually attributed to. Bonus points for knowing the true story behind the quote.


Just to make the idea clear, I'll give the first quote (an incredibly easy one).

"Elementary, my dear Watson."
 
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Sherlock Holmes?
 
Play it again Sam.
 
Jimmy Snyder said:
Play it again Sam.

What Rick really said was "Play it Sam"
 
To arms, to arms, the British are coming.
 
Jimmy Snyder said:
To arms, to arms, the British are coming.

I think what Paul actually said was laced with obscenities so we can't print it here.
 
Gad said:
Sherlock Holmes?

Yes, but to get the bonus points, you had to name the story in which he didn't say it. :smile:

The closest he came to saying this was in the story, "The Crooked Man":

"I see that you are professionally rather busy just now," said he, glancing very keenly across at me.

"Yes, I've had a busy day," I answered. "It may seem very foolish in your eyes," I added, "but, really, I don't know how you deduced it."

Homes chuckled to himself.

"I have the advantage of knowing your habits, my dear Watson," said he. "When your round is a short one, you walk, and when it is a long one, you use a hansom. As I perceive that your boots, although used, are by no means dirty, I cannot doubt that you are at present busy enough to justify the hansom."

"Excellent!" I cried.

"Elementary," said he.

All the parts are there - just not in the same sentence.
 
The world will end on Dec 21, 2012.
 
Jimmy Snyder said:
The world will end on Dec 21, 2012.

:smile:
 
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Jimmy Snyder said:
To arms, to arms, the British are coming.

phinds said:
I think what Paul actually said was laced with obscenities so we can't print it here.

Longfellow didn't say this either, which kind of surprised me.

So through the night rode Paul Revere;
And so through the night went his cry of alarm
To every Middlesex village and farm,---
A cry of defiance, and not of fear,
A voice in the darkness, a knock at the door,
And a word that shall echo for evermore!
For, borne on the night-wind of the Past,
Through all our history, to the last,
In the hour of darkness and peril and need,
The people will waken and listen to hear
The hurrying hoof-beats of that steed,
And the midnight message of Paul Revere.

He never actually says what the message was.


Newman Hall came close to saying it though:

To arms! To arms! ye soldiers,
The trumpet call obey!
Arise from dreary slumbers
To watch, and fight, and pray.
 
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Luke, I am your father.
 
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SHISHKABOB said:
Luke, I am your father.

Darth Vader. (He didn't use Luke's name, which certainly tempted Luke to respond: "You talkin' to me?!")
 
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"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt".
 
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It is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all.



King Kong

hahaha
 
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It is better to have loved and lost a short girl than to have never loved a tall.
 
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Veni, vidi, relinqui.

Caesar didn't say this because he won the battle
 
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E = mc^2

What he actually wrote was
If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes
by L/V^2 (V was the symbol he used for c)
 
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F=ma

Seriously, he never said it or wrote it.
 
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BobG said:
"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt".

I've seen this attributed to Mark Twain many times.
 
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BobG said:
"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt".

zoobyshoe said:
I've seen this attributed to Mark Twain many times.

It's most often attributed to Mark Twain... plus to Abraham Lincoln, Confuscious, George Eliot... and any of them could have said it in private conversation, or something very similar, but none of them said this in any of their published works.

Its source probably comes from this:

"Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding." -- Bible, 'Proverbs' 17:28
 
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On the early Civil War Winchester rifle:

That darn Yankee rifle that you load on Sunday and shoot all week long.
 
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"Well, that escalated quickly"
 
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Jimmy Snyder said:
E = mc^2

What he actually wrote was
If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes
by L/V^2 (V was the symbol he used for c)

That's what he wrote in his 1905 paper. In 1929 he was quoted as saying conversion of much mass to energy was unrealistic. He did use E=mc^2 later.
 
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"The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine."
 
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'Beam me up, Scotty'
 
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This quote got misattributed to a famous man who quoted it in a speech:

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won’t feel insecure around you. "
 
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zoobyshoe said:
This quote got misattributed to a famous man who quoted it in a speech:

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won’t feel insecure around you. "

Nelson Mandela. It doesn't surprise me that he wouldn't be the originator of the quote, since a famous person quoting a less famous person tends to link the quote to the person people remember (just like songs - how many people know the songwriter?). What surprises me is that he apparently never used this in a speech at all.

Who did say it? Marrianne Williamson in her book, "A Return to Love".

Williamson reveals how we each can become a miracle worker by accepting God and by the expression of love in our daily lives. Does that quote sound different based on who its attributed to and based on its context?
 
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Okay, one that a famous politician actually did quote, even though the quote is not attributed to him (the politician also attributed it to the wrong person, which actually isn't surprising knowing the politician).

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
 
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BobG said:
Who did say it? Marrianne Williamson in her book, "A Return to Love".

Williamson reveals how we each can become a miracle worker by accepting God and by the expression of love in our daily lives. Does that quote sound different based on who its attributed to and based on its context?

I can't believe I actually knew that! I read that book when I was pregnant, and I recall I was really moved by that exact quote, "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure." Even as an atheist I find it very inspiring.
 
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micromass said:
"The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine."
As Abraham Lincoln once said, "People are often misquoted on the Internet."
 
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micromass said:
"The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine."

However, the printed word can always be trusted.

Therefore, my suggestion is for you to simply print the quotes you find on the internet. Once printed, they have to be true.
 
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BobG said:
However, the printed word can always be trusted.

Therefore, my suggestion is for you to simply print the quotes you find on the internet. Once printed, they have to be true.
Lol.
 
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micromass said:
"Well, that escalated quickly"

Andrew McGillicutty.

Earlier in the day, my daughter and I were on the escalator at the Crossroads Mall in Omaha when it suddenly stopped, leaving us trapped between floors. I yelled for help, leaving my teenage daughter caught in the unresolvable conundrum of whether to die of embarrassment or to die of laughter. Fortunately, we were rescued unharmed.

Andrew McGillicutty was the first person to use the escalator after it was repaired. Apparently, the repair was a bit too effective, launching him into a parabolic trajectory, right into the plate glass window of the Old Navy store. All of the sounds coming out of Andrew McGillicutty's mouth were completely incomprehensible, making it impossible to know what he was saying.

It was the escalator repairman, David Aircroft, that said, "Hmm, that escalated quickly."

(Okay, I admit I have no idea who didn't say it, but my teenage daughter and I really were once trapped between floors on an escalator at the Crossroads Mall.)
 
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ANYWAY

People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered, LOVE THEM ANYWAY

If you do good, people will accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives, DO GOOD ANYWAY

If you are successful, you win false friends and true enemies, SUCCEED ANYWAY

The good you do will be forgotten tomorrow, DO GOOD ANYWAY

Honesty and frankness make you vulnerable, BE HONEST AND FRANK ANYWAY

What you spent years building may be destroyed overnight BUILD ANYWAY

People really need help but may attack you if you help them, HELP PEOPLE ANYWAY

Give the world the best you have And you'll get kicked in the teeth,
GIVE THE WORLD THE BEST YOU'VE GOT ANYWAY.

found on a wall in a children's home in Calcutta and attributed to Mother Teresa
but was written by another

'www.paradoxicalcommandments.com/mother-teresa-connection.html'
 
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"Sleep, those little slices of death: oh, how I loathe them."
 
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"Lies, damned lies, and statistics."
 
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BobG said:
Earlier in the day, my daughter and I were on the escalator at the Crossroads Mall in Omaha when it suddenly stopped, leaving us trapped between floors. I yelled for help, leaving my teenage daughter caught in the unresolvable conundrum of whether to die of embarrassment or to die of laughter. Fortunately, we were rescued unharmed.

Just in case someone doesn't remember...

 
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I just remembered another one:

"England and America are two countries separated by a common language."
 
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"I never said most of the things I said."

Actually, I think he said that, but he was talking about the other things he didn't say, such as
"Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded."
 
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zoobyshoe said:
I just remembered another one:

"England and America are two countries separated by a common language."

I think several people didn't say that, and I can tell you who DID say

"England and America are two countries separated by the Atlantic Ocean"

That was Eddie Izzard.
 
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Who said: "I thought Europe was a country"

Kellie Pickler on Who's Smarter than a 5th Grader

see 'www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cey35bBWXls'
 
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Borek said:
Just in case someone doesn't remember...

OMG, I think that is my favorite video of all time!
 
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You dirty rat!
 
  • #44
"It's the economy, stupid."

James Carville
 
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Chi Meson said:
"I never said most of the things I said."

Actually, I think he said that, but he was talking about the other things he didn't say, such as
"Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded."

Considering that was title of one of his books (almost, anyway - actually the title was "I Really Didn't Say Everything I Said").

But he does get credit for a St Louis University commencement address that he didn't really give. A news reporter, hearing Berra was going to give a commencement address, wrote an article imagining what a commencement address by Berra would be like. He never tried to present the article as a real commencement address, but the article now circulates around as Yogi Berra's commencement address.

The real commencement address wasn't as entertaining, but Berra did use a few of his famous quotes to hang some of the key points of the address on. For example:

... when you come to a fork in the road, take it. In life, the only poor decisions are the ones you don't follow through on.
 
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jtbell said:
By the way, Sam's piano is going up for auction. Anybody got a million to spend on it?

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/11/27/casablanca-piano-headed-to-auction/

By amazing coincidence, right after I logged off (after my previous post) I turned on the TV and not only was Casablanca playing, it was actually playing RIGHT AT the part where he say the line.

I was wrong though. He not only didn't say "Play it again, Sam", he didn't even say "Play it, Sam", he just said "Play it" (he had used Sam's name in the previous sentence)
 
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phinds said:
By amazing coincidence, right after I logged off (after my previous post) I turned on the TV and not only was Casablanca playing, it was actually playing RIGHT AT the part where he say the line.

I was wrong though. He not only didn't say "Play it again, Sam", he didn't even say "Play it, Sam", he just said "Play it" (he had used Sam's name in the previous sentence)

That's a sign, you should buy the piano.
 
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zoobyshoe said:
I just remembered another one:

"England and America are two countries separated by a common language."

I think that was Oscar Wilde...?

*google*google*google*

George Bernard Shaw. So I was right, after all - Wilde didn't say it.
 
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