GW Binary Merger: Riemann Tensor in Source & TT-Gauge

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The discussion revolves around the computation of the Riemann tensor components in the context of gravitational waves from a binary merger, specifically comparing results in the source gauge and the transverse traceless (TT) gauge. Participants explore the implications of tensor invariance and the behavior of tensor components under different coordinate transformations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a book by Hobson, noting the computed Riemann tensor components in both the source and TT gauges, questioning why they differ despite the invariance of the Riemann tensor.
  • Another participant argues that the term "invariant" is misleading, suggesting "covariant" is more appropriate, and clarifies that individual tensor components do not remain the same across different coordinate charts.
  • A further contribution emphasizes that while tensors are invariant objects, their components transform with changes in the basis, which could clarify the misunderstanding.
  • One participant reiterates the point about invariance, stating that in the linearized theory of gravity, the Riemann tensor components can be shown to be invariant to first order in the metric perturbation.
  • Another participant challenges the claim about invariance, drawing a parallel to special relativity, stating that components of a 4-vector do not remain unchanged under Lorentz transformations, only scalar quantities derived from them do.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of tensor invariance and the behavior of tensor components under coordinate transformations. There is no consensus on the implications of these concepts in the context of the Riemann tensor for the given problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the distinction between invariance of tensors and the transformation of their components, highlighting the complexity of the discussion in the context of linearized gravity and the specific gauges used.

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There seems to be a difference in the Riemann tensor when you compute the R_{0101} component of the Riemann tensor along the x-axis for the source and TT-gauge. After a lot of reading and thinking I am unable to find why this might be the case.
In the book general relativity by Hobson the gravitational wave of a binary merger is computed in the frame of the binary merger as well as the TT-gauge. I considered what components of the Riemann tensor along the x-axis in both gauges. The equation for the metric in the source and TT-gauge are given in 18.19 and 18.21 respectively. In the source gauge R_{0101} = -0.5*(w/c)^2 h_11 and in the TT-gauge R_{0101} = 0 since the Riemann tensor is invariant they should be the same though. I can seem to find out why ?
 
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MrFlanders said:
since the Riemann tensor is invariant they should be the same though.
No, this is not correct. The Riemann tensor being "invariant" ("covariant" would be a better term) does not mean each individual component of the tensor is the same in any coordinate chart. It only means that scalar invariants derived by contracting the Riemann tensor (the simplest being the Ricci scalar) are the same in any coordinate chart.
 
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If you'd say "tensor components", everything would be clear. Of course, tensors are by definition invariant objects, but tensor components transform when changing the (tangent) basis and co-basis.
 
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PeterDonis said:
No, this is not correct. The Riemann tensor being "invariant" ("covariant" would be a better term) does not mean each individual component of the tensor is the same in any coordinate chart. It only means that scalar invariants derived by contracting the Riemann tensor (the simplest being the Ricci scalar) are the same in any coordinate chart.
In general this would not be the case but in the linearised theory of gravity where the Riemann tensor is approximated to first order in the metric perturbation h. It can be shown directly from the transformations laws that each component of the Riemann tensor is Invariant to first order in the metric perturbation h.
 
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In general this would not be the case but in the linearised theory of gravity where the Riemann tensor is approximated to first order in the metric perturbation h. It can be shown directly from the transformations laws that each component of the Riemann tensor is Invariant to first order in the metric perturbation h.
I don't get what your are claiming. Even in SR, the components of a 4-vector do not stay the same after a Lorentz transform. Only scalars constructed from them stay the same.
 
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