Hamiltonian/Lagrangian mechanics

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In summary, the conversation discussed a 3D space measured with spherical coordinates and a particle moving under the influence of a potential. The conversation covered the Lagrangian and Hamiltonian formalisms, as well as the generalized momenta, equations of motion, and conserved quantities for the system. The final part considered the differences between solutions obtained through advanced and elementary methods.
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Consider a 3D space measured with spherical coordinates (r, θ,Φ). A particle moves under the influence of the potential
[tex]V(\vec{r})=\frac{1}{2}k(\vec{r}\cdot\vec{r}), k>0[/tex]
(a) Find the generalized momenta pr, pθ, pΦ.
(b) What is the Lagrangian in these coordinates?
(c) Find the Lagrangian equations of motion.
(d) Find the Hamiltonian in these coordinates.
(e) Find the Hamiltonian equations of motion.
(f) What are the conserved quantities?
(g) Are the solutions the ones you expected from elementary methods?

The attempt at a solution
*I used the prime (') notation to represent time derivatives (d/dt)

Lagrangian: L=0.5m(r'²+r²θ'²+r²sin²(θ)Φ'²)-0.5kr²

Generalized Momenta:
pr=dL/dr'=mr'
pθ=dL/dθ'=mr²θ'
pΦ=dL/dΦ'=mr²sin²(θ)Φ'

Lagrangian Equations of Motion:
mr''=mr(θ'²+sin²(θ)Φ'²)-kr
(mr²θ')'=0.5mr²sin(2θ)Φ'²
mr²sin²θΦ'=l (constant)

Hamiltonian: H=(1/2m)(pr²+pθ²/r²+pΦ²/r²sin²(θ))+0.5kr²

Hamiltonian Equations of Motion:
p'r=-dH/dr=(-1/2mr3)(pθ²+pΦ²/sin²(θ))-kr
p'θ=-dH/dθ=(-1/2mr²)(pΦ²cos(θ)/sin3(θ))
p'Φ=-dH/dΦ=0

r'=pr/m
θ'=pθ/mr²
Φ'=pΦ/mr²sin²(θ)=l/mr²sin²(θ)

Conserved Quantities: Total Energy (E), Momentum in Φ (l)

Does all of this look right? As for the final part, I'm not exactly sure what the result would be from elementary methods. I've gotten so used to the advanced/abstract stuff.
 
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Thank you for your post. Your solution looks correct to me. As for the final part, it is difficult to say whether the solutions would be the same using elementary methods without knowing what specific methods you are referring to. However, since the Lagrangian and Hamiltonian formalisms are generally more advanced and abstract approaches, it is likely that the solutions obtained through these methods would differ from those obtained through elementary methods. This is because the Lagrangian and Hamiltonian formalisms take into account the full dynamics of the system, while elementary methods may only consider certain simplified cases. Overall, your solution appears to be a comprehensive and accurate approach. Good job!
 

1. What is the difference between Hamiltonian and Lagrangian mechanics?

Hamiltonian and Lagrangian mechanics are two different approaches to understanding the motion of physical systems. While Lagrangian mechanics focuses on finding the equations of motion using the concept of energy, Hamiltonian mechanics uses the concept of momentum. In Hamiltonian mechanics, the equations of motion are written in terms of the Hamiltonian function, which is a combination of the system's kinetic and potential energies. On the other hand, in Lagrangian mechanics, the equations of motion are derived from the Lagrangian function, which is the difference between the system's kinetic and potential energies.

2. What are the advantages of using Hamiltonian and Lagrangian mechanics?

One of the main advantages of using Hamiltonian and Lagrangian mechanics is that they provide a more general and elegant approach to understanding the motion of physical systems compared to classical mechanics. They also allow for the use of powerful mathematical techniques, such as calculus of variations, which can simplify complex problems. Additionally, these approaches are more suitable for studying systems with constraints, as they do not require the use of forces and accelerations.

3. What types of systems can be analyzed using Hamiltonian and Lagrangian mechanics?

Both Hamiltonian and Lagrangian mechanics can be applied to a wide range of physical systems, including particles, rigid bodies, and even complex systems like fluids and gases. These approaches are particularly useful for systems with multiple degrees of freedom, where the motion of each component is affected by the others.

4. How are Hamiltonian and Lagrangian mechanics related to each other?

The relationship between Hamiltonian and Lagrangian mechanics can be understood through the principle of least action, which states that the path a system takes between two points is the one that minimizes the action (a quantity that combines the system's energy and time). Hamiltonian mechanics can be derived from Lagrangian mechanics by using a mathematical transformation called the Legendre transformation. This transformation allows for the conversion of the Lagrangian function to the Hamiltonian function.

5. What are some real-world applications of Hamiltonian and Lagrangian mechanics?

Hamiltonian and Lagrangian mechanics have a wide range of applications in various fields, including physics, engineering, and even economics. They are used to analyze the motion of celestial bodies, design optimal control systems for spacecraft, and study the behavior of complex molecules. In economics, these approaches are used to model the behavior of financial markets and optimize investment strategies. Additionally, they are also used in computer simulations and video game physics engines to accurately represent the motion of objects.

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