# Hamiltonian problem: observables

1. Oct 13, 2009

### noblegas

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

A particle that moves in 3 dimensions has that Hamiltonian

$$H=p^2/2m+\alpha*(x^2+y^2+z^2)+\gamma*z$$ where $$\alpha$$ and $$\gamma$$ are real nonzero constant numbers.

a) For each of the following observables , state whether or why the observable is conserved: parity , $$\Pi$$; energy $$H$$ ; the z component of orbital angular momentum , $$L_z$$ ; the x component of orbital angular momentum , $$L_x$$ , the z componetm of the linear momentum $$p_z$$

b) Reduce the expression for the time rate of change of the expectation value of the y component of orbital angular momentum , $$d<L_y>/dt$$ , to the simplest possible form. Find the classical analog to the result.

2. Relevant equations

3. The attempt at a solution

a) parity: $$\Pi \phi(r)=\phi(-r);$$ Have to show that H(r)=H(-r)

x -> -x
y-> -y
z -> -z

therefore , $$H=p^2/2m+\alpha*(x^2+y^2+z^2)+\gamma*z, H(-r)=] H=p^2/2m+\alpha*(-x)^2+(-y)^2+(-z)^2)+\gamma*(-z)=] H=p^2/2m+\alpha*(x^2+y^2+z^2)-\gamma*z$$

observable for parity is not conserved since H(r) and H(-r) are not equal to each other.

For energy, I don't know how to show that the observable is observed, other than stating the Law of energy conservation, which I know thats not what you do; Same goes for the rest of the observables Should I take the commutator of : [H, L_z] , [H,L_x], [H,p_z]?

b) $$<L_y>=\varphi^2*L_ydy$$. What do I set $$\varphi$$ equal to?

2. Oct 13, 2009

### kuruman

What is true when an operator commutes with the Hamiltonian?

3. Oct 13, 2009

### noblegas

it equals zero

4. Oct 14, 2009

### kuruman

Yes, that is true, but there are other things that are also true when an operator commutes with the Hamiltonian. What are they? What does your textbook say?

5. Oct 14, 2009

### noblegas

$$\Pi*p^2$$=$$-p*\Pi*p=p^2*\Pi$$?

$$\Pi*r=-r*\Pi$$
$$\Pi*\varphi(r)=\varphi(-r)=-\varphi(r)$$ if $$\pi=+1$$, $$\Pi*\varphi(r)=\varphi(-r)=\varphi(r)$$ if $$\pi=-1$$

Last edited: Oct 14, 2009
6. Oct 14, 2009

### kuruman

Is that what your textbook says?

7. Oct 14, 2009

### noblegas

yes. should I calculated the commutators I listed in my OP

8. Oct 14, 2009

### kuruman

Is there nothing in your textbook about what is true when an operator commutes with the Hamiltonian? This is a rather important result in Quantum Mechanics.

9. Oct 14, 2009

### noblegas

Sorry I don't know what else to say: When an operator commutes with a hamiltonian, $$[H,\Pi]=0$$ My book says that $$H$$ and $$\Pi$$ are simultaneous eigenfunctions of $$H$$ and $$\Pi$$

10. Oct 14, 2009

### kuruman

Yes, when an operator commutes with the Hamiltonian the energy eigenfunctions are also eigenfunctions of the operator. That's the first thing. The second thing is that the observable represented by the operator is a constant of the motion, i.e. is conserved. Do you see what you ought to do now?