Hard definite integration by parts question,

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The discussion revolves around the definite integral of the function y/(e^2y) from 0 to 1, with a focus on applying integration by parts. Participants are exploring the correct setup and execution of the integration process.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to apply integration by parts but are questioning the choices made for u and dv. There is confusion regarding the correct interpretation of the integral, with some suggesting that the original poster's setup may not align with the integrand. Others are probing the clarity of the expression used for integration.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing dialogue about the correct formulation of the integral and the appropriate choices for u and dv in the integration by parts method. Some participants have pointed out potential errors in the original poster's approach, while others are emphasizing the importance of clarity in defining the integrand.

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Participants are navigating ambiguities in the integral's expression and discussing the implications of their choices for u and dv. There is a focus on ensuring that the selected components align with the original integrand for successful application of integration by parts.

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Homework Statement



Integral, from 0 to 1, y/(e^2y)

Homework Equations


Use integration by parts

The Attempt at a Solution



I need integration by parts. The answer is 1/4-3/5e^-2. But I got 1/2 and it all makes sense to me, so tell me what I got wrong.

I put u=e^2y
du=2e^2y

dv= 1/e^2y dy (did u substitution on 2y here)
v=1/2 * ln(e^2y) (here I canceled ln and e, so left with 2y)
v=1/2 * 2y = y

Plugged them into integration by parts formula
and got y^2-(y^2)/2. Plugged in 1 and 0.
And I got 1-1/2 = 1/2. How is this wrong?? I don't understand.
 
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Your integration of dv is wrong.
 
limelightdevo said:

Homework Statement



Integral, from 0 to 1, from y/e^2y

Homework Equations


Use integration by parts

The Attempt at a Solution



I need integration by parts. The answer is 1/4-3/5e^-2. But I got 1/2 and it all makes sense to me, so tell me what I got wrong.

I put u=e^2y
du=2e^2y

dv= 1/e^2y dy (did u substitution on 2y here)
v=1/2 * ln(e^2y) (here I canceled ln and e, so left with 2y)
v=1/2 * 2y = y

Plugged them into integration by parts formula
and got y^2-(y^2)/2. Plugged in 1 and 0.
And I got 1-1/2 = 1/2. How is this wrong?? I don't understand.
What is it that you're trying to integrate? What you wrote is ambiguous.

[itex]\displaystyle \int_0^1 \frac{y}{e^{2y}}\,dy\,,[/itex]

or

[itex]\displaystyle \int_0^1 y\,e^{2y}\,dy\,,[/itex]

or something else?
 
limelightdevo said:

Homework Statement



Integral, from 0 to 1, from y/e^2y

Homework Equations


Use integration by parts


The Attempt at a Solution



I need integration by parts. The answer is 1/4-3/5e^-2. But I got 1/2 and it all makes sense to me, so tell me what I got wrong.

I put u=e^2y
du=2e^2y

dv= 1/e^2y dy (did u substitution on 2y here)
v=1/2 * ln(e^2y) (here I canceled ln and e, so left with 2y)
v=1/2 * 2y = y

Plugged them into integration by parts formula
and got y^2-(y^2)/2. Plugged in 1 and 0.
And I got 1-1/2 = 1/2. How is this wrong?? I don't understand.

In addition to what 1MileCrash said, you aren't doing integration by parts correctly. If you integral is ##\int ye^{-2y}dy##
then you can't have u = e2y and dv = 1/(e2y)* dy.
Whatever you choose for u and dv, they have to multiply to make your original integrand. In your case u*dv = e2y/e2y * dy = 1 dy, not ye-2ydy.
 
So your choice of u and dv should be very clear. As for which one is u and which one is dv - weigh which one will result in a simpler function when differentiated, and try that for u.
 
It is y divided by e^2y dy
 
limelightdevo said:
It is y divided by e^2y dy
That's what I understood it to be.

You should write this not as a fraction, but as ye-2ydy.
 

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