Hawaii's Kilauea volcano eruption

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A volcanic eruption has occurred near residential areas in Hawaii, prompting the evacuation of residents. The Kilauea volcano, which has been active since 1983, has opened multiple fissures, with reports indicating at least eight active fissures as of May 5, 2018. The eruption has led to concerns about safety, particularly for homes built on ancient lava fields. Despite the ongoing volcanic activity, officials state that the situation has stabilized for the moment, although further eruptions are anticipated. The eruption is characterized by the release of basaltic lava, which differs from more explosive eruptions seen in other regions. Travelers to the Big Island are advised to monitor the situation, as access to certain areas may be restricted, but many attractions remain open. The geological context of the Hawaiian Islands is discussed, highlighting the ongoing volcanic activity and the long-term implications for land use and development in the region.
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Some amazing photos!

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I find it odd that they allowed housing developments to be built upon 200 year old lava fields.

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Talk about "caveat emptor"!
 

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OmCheeto said:
I find it odd that they allowed housing developments to be built upon 200 year old lava fields.

I have visited that area. An aunt in law lives there.
That whole area has many housing area among fields.
There are other much more recently lava'ed (lava inundated) areas nearby.
 
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Well, my timing could have been better. We are scheduled to arrive on the big island two weeks from today. (Trip planned and booked months ago.)
 
Janus said:
Well, my timing could have been better. We are scheduled to arrive on the big island two weeks from today. (Trip planned and booked months ago.)
Can you get a refund, or maybe change to a different island?
 
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berkeman said:
Can you get a refund, or maybe change to a different island?
It's the 2nd island of a two island trip, Maui for 5 nights and 5 nights in Kona. This means that the return flight is booked out of Kona. I'd really rather not have to cut the trip short and rebook out of Maui at this late date. At least we will be on the other side of the island.
I think we will play it by ear. If things really do go sour while we are in Maui and we end up not being able to get to Kona, at least I had the foresight to get travel insurance on the total cost of the trip.
 
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Janus said:
Well, my timing could have been better. We are scheduled to arrive on the big island two weeks from today. (Trip planned and booked months ago.)

berkeman said:
Can you get a refund, or maybe change to a different island?

why ?? ...
gosh what an awesome time to be there !, I am jealous, I don't get to the "big island" till mid August and the
activity is likely to have died down by them :frown:

If I could, I would already be on a plane to Hawaii to photo and video all the action from the volcano
the eruption is in a reasonably confined region on the SE side of the island. The volcanoes there don't produce huge ash clouds as with volcanoes like Mt St Helens etc because of the very different makeup of the erupted material ... Hawaii volcanoes are pretty much pure basaltic.

Make the most of it, Janus, you are very fortunate !
spend the buck on helicopter trips over and around the volcano area and I expect to see lots of photos from you ! that's an order Mr. ! :wink::wink::-p:biggrin:

Dave
 
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OmCheeto said:
Then again, I may not know how they define "Kilauea".

well, it is pretty much "always" active. there is very few times when lava isn't flowing out to the coast over the last 30+ years since
the major eruption of 1983
There's just times when it is REALLY active as in the last several days

My last trip there was in April 1999 ...

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davenn said:
why ?? ...
gosh what an awesome time to be there !, I am jealous, I don't get to the "big island" till mid August and the
activity is likely to have died down by them :frown:

If I could, I would already be on a plane to Hawaii to photo and video all the action from the volcano
the eruption is in a reasonably confined region on the SE side of the island. The volcanoes there don't produce huge ash clouds as with volcanoes like Mt St Helens etc because of the very different makeup of the erupted material ... Hawaii volcanoes are pretty much pure basaltic.

Make the most of it, Janus, you are very fortunate !
spend the buck on helicopter trips over and around the volcano area and I expect to see lots of photos from you ! that's an order Mr. ! :wink::wink::-p:biggrin:

Dave

Well, there's active and there's ACTIVE. Too much activity and you probably would not be able to get close enough to see anything. The last I heard they had closed the Hawaii Volcanoes Nat. Park for safety reasons.
 
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Janus said:
Well, there's active and there's ACTIVE. Too much activity and you probably would not be able to get close enough to see anything.
that's why I said helicopters :smile:

If it is still active when I get there, I will be spending big on helicopter flight(s)Wife and I booked our trip there around 3 weeks ago

Dave
 
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Eight fissures open now at Leilani Estates.

Volcanic activity settles for now, officials say, but it's not over
Updated: Saturday, May 5th 2018, 9:39 pm PDT

PUNA, BIG ISLAND (HawaiiNewsNow) -
As evening fell Saturday, Hawaii County officials said volcanic activity has slowed, but it is not over yet.
Hawaii County Civil Defense says there are eight open fissures with no new fissures emerging since early Saturday.

I finally figured out why I was confused about what "Kilauea" meant.
It's a region.
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Where I live, volcanoes are distinct features, with one hole in the middle.

Really interesting stuff on the FAQ at the Natl Park Service:
  • Kilauea has been erupting since 1983
  • The current eruption rate of Kilauea volcano is 250,000-650,000 cubic yards/day (200,000-500,000 cubic meters/day).
  • Since the start of the current Kilauea eruption more than 1,400 million cubic meters of lava have been erupted. Mount St. Helens erupted 1 cubic kilometer of ash (about 10 times greater than the current Kilauea eruption).

That last one is probably why I'm most confused. Mount St. Helens is only 50 miles from my house, and I stay the hell away from it.
Per wiki; "Approximately fifty-seven people were killed directly from the blast and 200 houses, 47 bridges, 15 miles (24 km) of railways and 185 miles (298 km) of highway were destroyed... More than 4,000,000,000 board feet (9,400,000 m3) of timber was damaged or destroyed, mainly by the lateral blast."

I think most of the damage happened in less than a hour, while Kilauea's been doing this for 35 years.
It's no wonder people are living in lava flows: "Between 1986 and 1991, Chain of Craters Road was cut, and the community of Kapa’ahu, the village of Kalapana, and the subdivisions of Kālapana Gardens and Royal Gardens were lost to the lava."

I was flabbergasted when I zoomed in on what I thought would be the ghost town of Kalapana, only to find dozens of homes there!
But it's starting to make sense now.
 

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OmCheeto said:
Since the start of the current Kilauea eruption more than 1,400 million cubic meters of lava have been erupted. Mount St. Helens erupted 1 cubic kilometer of ash (about 10 times greater than the current Kilauea eruption).
I'm reading this and thinking ... is this correct maths ??

Now I don't claim to be great at math, so please correct me when needed :biggrin: :rolleyes:

1,400 million cubic metres = 1 billion 400 million (1,400,000,000 ) yes ? ( 1 billion = 1000 million)

= 1.4 billion cubic metres of material

1 cubic km = 1000m x 1000m x 1000m ... that is a cube , 1000 metres on each side

1000 x 1000 x 1000 = 1,000,000,000 ( 1 billion) ( Mt St Helens)

Kilauea has erupted = 1.4 billion cubic metres or 1.4 cubic km

hope I have done that correctly ?If that is all correct then where does the 10 times more material from St Helens come from (maths wise )??Dave
 
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davenn said:
I'm reading this and thinking ... is this correct maths ??

Now I don't claim to be great at math, so please correct me when needed :biggrin: :rolleyes:

...

I also noticed that, and so don't think you are that bad at maths.
I averaged their "200,000-500,000 cubic meters/day" comment, multiplied it by 35 years, and came up with 4.5 km^3.
This number is pretty close to what both wiki and the USGS said: 4 km^3(as of 2012) and 4.4 km^3, respectively.

Numbers for St. Helens were similar:
4.2 km^3 per wiki
2.5 km^3 [avalanche only] per the USGS
. Guessing the ash accounts for the rest of the volume.​

Perhaps we shouldn't take anything coming out of Hawaii as a "valid reference"
  1. Their volcanoes are flat
  2. 4 ≈ 10 x 4
  3. They measure distance in acres [see below]
From my Twitter feed this morning:

Allyson Blair
[Emmy award winner living in Honolulu]
‏Verified account @AllysonBlairTV
17 hours ago

#BREAKING This is video just into our newsroom. It was shot 5 acres in on Makamae St. on the Kalapana side. #Kilauea
[video]
[ref]​
 
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OmCheeto said:
I also noticed that, and so don't think you are that bad at maths.
I averaged their "200,000-500,000 cubic meters/day" comment, multiplied it by 35 years, and came up with 4.5 km^3.
This number is pretty close to what both wiki and the USGS said: 4 km^3(as of 2012) and 4.4 km^3, respectively.

Numbers for St. Helens were similar:
4.2 km^3 per wiki
2.5 km^3 [avalanche only] per the USGS
. Guessing the ash accounts for the rest of the volume.​

Perhaps we shouldn't take anything coming out of Hawaii as a "valid reference"
  1. Their volcanoes are flat
Er, no. Its just that the vast majority of it is below sea level and it is only the top that is sticking out. Mauna Kea is 33,000 ft above the ocean floor. At sea level you are still some 19,000 ft above the base.
 
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Glad I'm not the only one whose mind went a little berzerk with this:

From the UK; "'CURTAIN OF FIRE' Horror as Kilauea volcano in Hawaii spews lava 150ft in the air, cracks streets and torches forests forcing 10,000 people to flee"

Compared to my interpretation of someone living there:

Kalapana Lava Refuge
Moved to Kalapana, from Alaska, back in '82.
Bought some land, planted some stuff.
Lava destroyed a lot of it, so I moved to California.
Then I moved back.
Come visit!
Only $100 per night.

I was last in Hawaii in 1980, on the island of Oahu, and stayed for about 2.5 months. I think that was before all this "perma-volcano" stuff started happening. Hence, why I didn't bother to go visit.
 
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Janus said:
Er, no. Its just that the vast majority of it is below sea level and it is only the top that is sticking out. Mauna Kea is 33,000 ft above the ocean floor. At sea level you are still some 19,000 ft above the base.
I was trying to be "funny"...

I've also been trying to digitize what's going on, but things are a bit too dynamic at the moment.
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And what are negative depths all about?

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Do earthquakeologists measure depth from sea level?
 

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OmCheeto said:
Do earthquakeologists measure depth from sea level?
no, not usually

just yet another inconsistency in the data :rolleyes:
 
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So sad.
 
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OmCheeto said:
Their volcanoes are flat

I'm old, and therefore biased.

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Actually the negative numbers mean Above Sea Level. Since this is a volcano, and it is not plate tectonics at work, which is almost always deep in the ground where the 'break' occurs, in a volcano the 'Breaks' can be cooled lava being cracked from contact with fresher, hotter lava and pressure. This can lead to aftershocks as the lava encounters water pockets and get steam explosions, but much of it is the pressurized lava forcing it's way through weakened cracks, and any new EQ can create the beginnings of a new one. Kilauea has been on ongoing thing, with land forming and dropping off in chunks along the edge and occasional breakthroughs like we have ongoing now, and these are just Little rifts along a deeper lava river. However, much of this is happening around and above sea level. One can see the same thing in the Himalayas at times, although even there the quakes are usually triggered Deep, once in a while there is a lesser break higher up such as peak collapses and the like with the landslide often causing nearly as much of a signal
 
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OmCheeto said:
I find it odd that they allowed housing developments to be built upon 200 year old lava fields.

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Talk about "caveat emptor"!
Ditto, homes built on flood plains.
 
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Janus said:
Well, my timing could have been better. We are scheduled to arrive on the big island two weeks from today. (Trip planned and booked months ago.)

A former coworker just flew over to Hawaii on Friday (May 4) so I texted her after I heard the news, asked her if she was on the big island. She replied they were, but said they were on the other side and not affected at all by this, but they have been hitting a lot of overcast weather. Which I suppose may or may not have anything to do with the eruption..
 
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Janus said:
Well, my timing could have been better. We are scheduled to arrive on the big island two weeks from today. (Trip planned and booked months ago.)
You can still have a great visit to the Big Island unless you booked a room in lower Puna. As far as I know, you can still visit the Kilaeua caldera, and the HVO is still open. You can visit Mauna Kea. Snorkeling is still good except near the ocean entries of the lava. The lava is not scary unless it's encroaching on your house or person.
 
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OmCheeto said:
I find it odd that they allowed housing developments to be built upon 200 year old lava fields.

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Talk about "caveat emptor"!
Yah. My 75-yr-old sis sold everything in Seattle, used all to build home that is now 3 mi. N of erupting fissures. Dream of her life, recognized the hazard, doesn't seem to be regretting her move even today. Insurance not possible. Not boring life! I think even today she regrets the almost unimaginable buckets downpours more than the eruption. But accepting of it all.
 
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OmCheeto said:
I find it odd that they allowed housing developments to be built upon 200 year old lava fields.

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Talk about "caveat emptor"!

In and about Houston developers built whole subdivisions in an area that was supposed to be an army corp engineered flood plain. However, at the time it was built the army corp had insufficient funds to buy the whole 50mi tract and instead bought 37mi. Over the years developers began to encroach the area with more and more houses which subsequently got flooded last year.

https://apps.texastribune.org/harvey-reservoirs/

Bottom line: Be careful where you buy your house. Do some digging as far back as you can. Don't trust that the realtor or seller will divulge this information. However, I think the title company should have provided this info.
 
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Lee Duke said:
You can still have a great visit to the Big Island unless you booked a room in lower Puna. As far as I know, you can still visit the Kilaeua caldera, and the HVO is still open. You can visit Mauna Kea. Snorkeling is still good except near the ocean entries of the lava. The lava is not scary unless it's encroaching on your house or person.
Since the last time I posted, they have re-opened parts of the Volcanoes National park, so this is good news. No matter what, I'm sure we'll have a good time ( Of the two of us, it's my wife that is the worry-wort).
However, now they are predicting thundershowers in Kona on the day of our arrival, and our flight from Maui is on a Light Cessna, so we might be in for a bumpy ride. Of course, that's still 11 days from now, plenty of time for the forecast to change.
 
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We were in Hawaii last year (Maui and Kuai'i) and I got very interested in the geology of the chain. The big Island is still being born and is Lihu (sp?) which has many thousands of years before it breaks the surface and becomes the next Hawaiian island. In fact, it seems to take about 800,000 years to make one, then the island goes into a period of weathering, erosion and even collapse. Kuai'i is the oldest at about 8,000,000. It was formed by an initial vast shield volcano (like Haleakala on Maui) and sloughed off about half it's volume back to the sea due to its immense unsupportable bulk, only to be supplanted by a later volcano. The fissure between the lavas of these two distinct volcanoes formed the Waimea Canyon. Only later did the Waimea River carve its way on the bottom.

Maui is the next newest island that was composed of two shield volcanoes. Haleakala is the newest and is still in it's volcanic form, whereas the other is worn away, broken up and appears as a series of very green peaks that were originally just one large cone. (similar formations are found in the San Francisco peaks above Flagstaff, AZ, which was a vast 25,000 foot mountain that blew up like Mt. St. Helens, only worse, and what was left was a huge, jagged caldera that now has it's own name and appearance.

The Pacific Plate passes over the mid-plate hot spot and each island in turn gets its chance to be created, and then move on to leave room for its siblings. So… the Big Island isn't done yet and won't be for probably 200,000 years (wild guess considering how much it is above the water level and the highest elevation on the island). The island chain is sitting in 16,000 feet of water so it's a big deal when the shield volcano is big enough to brake the surface. Haleakala is therefore a 26,000 foot high volcanic mountain. Kuai'i's was probably higher initially (16,000 feet below sea level and 10,000 feet above).

Why I am giving this Hawaii geology lesson (besides wanting to show off what I learned from my book) is that building homes on an island that is still in the process of its birth seems like folly and it may be best to not build any more subdivisions, at least for a couple hundred thousand years. Incidentally, the actual chain is over 1,600 miles long and includes Midway. As the islands move on this "Pacific Conveyor Belt" they eventually end up sub-ducted somewhere in the Aleutians. Long before that, the islands wear away, become coral reefs and atolls and then disappear below the waves. The Hawaiian Islands will return to the magma that created them in about 80,000,000 years. So anybody wanting a long-term real estate investment, should probably look elsewhere.
 
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I've been hearing lots of talk on news about the possibility of a steam explosion involving groundwater. I was confused by explanations of the lava lake level dropping down to the water table and generating steam. If the lava lake is already above the water table and fed by a tube, mustn't that feed go through the water?

Looking into it, I found a USGS explanation that described what happened in the 1924 explosion at the site. In brief, the water near the lava column is driven away by the heat. If the lava drops below the water level, water can flow into and become vaporized. If the conduit gets blocked by debris, it can result in a steam explosion.
 
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Fewmet said:
I've been hearing lots of talk on news about the possibility of a steam explosion involving groundwater. I was confused by explanations of the lava lake level dropping down to the water table and generating steam. If the lava lake is already above the water table and fed by a tube, mustn't that feed go through the water?

Looking into it, I found a USGS explanation that described what happened in the 1924 explosion at the site. In brief, the water near the lava column is driven away by the heat. If the lava drops below the water level, water can flow into and become vaporized. If the conduit gets blocked by debris, it can result in a steam explosion.
Yes, that is correct.
The other cause you need to also consider is as the magma is forcing its was eastward, through existing and also creating new fissures
and penetrating existing pockets of water which would also create steam explosions.

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Update

As of the 14th May, a new fissure has opened up further east of the existing fissures.
This is fissure #17 and at some 300m long is larger than the previous ones.
It is showing lava fountaining and some flows away from the fissure

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Aerial views of the 1,000-foot-long fissure that erupted on Kilauea's east rift zone on Sunday morning near Pahoa, Hawaii. Seventeen fissures have been reported in and around the Leilani Estates neighbourhood. (Bruce Omori/Paradise Helicopters / Bruce Omori/Paradise Helicopters)

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-hawaii-kilauea-fissure-20180513-story.html

My edit ... Seventeen is the correct number

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Well. my flight for Maui leaves in just a few hours. If all goes to plan, I'll arrive on the Big Island on Saturday. If there is a steam/ash explosion while I'm there, that will be the second time in my life of being within 50 miles or so of such an event. (I lived some 40 miles as the crow flies from St. Helens when she blew in '80.) That last one indirectly led to my getting 10 stitches on the top of my head, so let's keep our fingers crossed :nb). If something does happen while I'm there, If possible, I'll post an update. But it will likely be brief. I don't have an unlimited data plan on my phone, and unfortunately my hotel in Kona doesn't have free wi-fi ( and I'm not paying for it).
 
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Janus said:
Well. my flight for Maui leaves in just a few hours. If all goes to plan, I'll arrive on the Big Island on Saturday. If there is a steam/ash explosion while I'm there, that will be the second time in my life of being within 50 miles or so of such an event. (I lived some 40 miles as the crow flies from St. Helens when she blew in '80.) That last one indirectly led to my getting 10 stitches on the top of my head, so let's keep our fingers crossed :nb). If something does happen while I'm there, If possible, I'll post an update. But it will likely be brief. I don't have an unlimited data plan on my phone, and unfortunately my hotel in Kona doesn't have free wi-fi ( and I'm not paying for it).
You should have told us earlier, as I would have started a Go-Fund-Janus page for you!

hmmm... How much is the WiFi? If it's less than $100, I'll wire you the funds.

As I mentioned earlier, I've never been to the big island.
But I've watched at least 3 hours of videos, and read up on the history of recent (past 100 years) eruptions, and now appreciate that someone who has never been there, has no clue what they are talking about. [I'm referring to myself, of course]
 
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OmCheeto said:
I finally figured out why I was confused about what "Kilauea" meant.
It's a region.
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Om ... I meant to comment on this bit of the post of yours ...

Not so much a region but a particular volcano. Kilauea is one of 5 volcanoes on the Big Island. Kohala being the oldest and they get progressively younger towards the SE of the island. Mauna Loa is considered dormant with a possibility of future eruption. Kilauea is the youngest and still active.
The area highlited in yellow is the area over which the lava flows from Kilauea have been covering.
The Kilauea lava doesn't flow the other direction ( to the NW) because the land rises up in that direction as you head towards the summit ridge of Mauna LoaDave
 

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What makes them separate Dave?
I would guess its based on their tubes going down separately to some depth.
Do they join together at a single hot blob?
Are the others connected to cooled down hot blobs?
 
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davenn said:
Om ... I meant to comment on this bit of the post of yours ...

Not so much a region but a particular volcano. Kilauea is one of 5 volcanoes on the Big Island. Kohala being the oldest and they get progressively younger towards the SE of the island. Mauna Loa is considered dormant with a possibility of future eruption. Kilauea is the youngest and still active.
The area highlited in yellow is the area over which the lava flows from Kilauea have been covering.
The Kilauea lava doesn't flow the other direction ( to the NW) because the land rises up in that direction as you head towards the summit ridge of Mauna LoaDave
I'm not sure about Kohala, but the other four volcanoes are all considered active. Only Kilauea is currently erupting.
 
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OmCheeto said:
...someone who has never been there, has no clue what they are talking about.

It's like reading stuff in a textbook; "Blah, blah, blah. Numbers, numbers, numbers."

And then you stop and look at the numbers, and go; "wow..."

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And there's been only one person killed in the last 94 years.
And he was an idiot, IMHO; "The last serious eruption in 1924 resulted in one fatality, when a photographer ventured too close to the action."
 

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BillTre said:
What makes them separate Dave?
I would guess its based on their tubes going down separately to some depth.
Do they join together at a single hot blob?
Are the others connected to cooled down hot blobs?
They were/are all fed from the same hotspot (magma source). As the Pacific Plate motion carries the ocean floor over that hotspot,
the upwelling magma produces new volcanoes that eventually break the sea surface and produce islands. Of course, that motion is pretty small, 5 – 10 centimeters (2.0–3.9 in) a year, so multiple vents can produce a large island.

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Lee Duke said:
I'm not sure about Kohala, but the other four volcanoes are all considered active. Only Kilauea is currently erupting.

not quite ... see below :smile:

I wanted to find some dates for the different vents ...

from Wiki or USGS

Kohala is the oldest of five volcanoes that make up the island of Hawaii. Kohala is an estimated one million years old—so old that it experienced, and recorded, the reversal of earth's magnetic field 780,000 years ago. It is believed to have breached sea level more than 500,000 years ago[1] and to have last erupted 120,000 years ago. Kohala is 606 km2 (234 sq mi) in area and 14,000 km3 (3,400 cu mi) in volume, and thus constitutes just under 6% of the island of Hawaii

Mauna Kea (/ˌmɔːnə ˈkeɪ.ə/ or /ˌmaʊnə ˈkeɪ.ə/, Hawaiian: [ˈmɐwnə ˈkɛjə]) is a dormant volcano on the island of Hawaii. Standing 4,207 m (13,802 ft) above sea level, its peak is the highest point in the state of Hawaii making the island of Hawaii the second highest island in the world. Most of the mountain is underwater; when measured from its oceanic base, Mauna Kea is over 10,000 m (33,000 ft) tall and is the tallest mountain on Earth. Mauna Kea is about a million years old, and has thus passed the most active shield stage of life hundreds of thousands of years ago. In its current post-shield state, its lava is more viscous, resulting in a steeper profile. Late volcanism has also given it a much rougher appearance than its neighboring volcanoes; contributing factors include the construction of cinder cones, the decentralization of its rift zones, the glaciation on its peak, and the weathering effects of the prevailing trade winds. Mauna Kea last erupted 6,000 to 4,000 years ago and is now considered dormant.

Hualālai (pronounced [huwəˈlaːlɐi] in Hawaiian) is an active volcano on the island of Hawaiʻi in the Hawaiian Islands.[4] It is the westernmost, third-youngest and the third most active of the five volcanoes that form the island of Hawaiʻi, following Kīlauea and the much larger Mauna Loa. Its peak stands 8,271 feet (2,521 m) above sea level. Hualālai is estimated to have risen above sea level about 300,000 years ago. Despite maintaining a very low level of activity since its last eruption in 1801, and being unusually inactive for the last 2,000 years, Hualālai is still considered active, and is expected to erupt again some time within the next century. The relative unpreparedness of the residents in the area caused by the lull in activity would worsen the consequences of such an event.
Mauna Loa (/ˌmɔːnə ˈloʊ.ə/ or /ˌmaʊnə ˈloʊ.ə/; Hawaiian: [ˈmɐwnə ˈlowə]; English: Long Mountain[3]) is one of five volcanoes that form the Island of Hawaii in the U.S. state of Hawaiʻi in the Pacific Ocean. The largest subaerial volcano in both mass and volume, Mauna Loa has historically been considered the largest volcano on Earth, dwarfed only by Tamu Massif. It is an active shield volcano with relatively gentle slopes, with a volume estimated at approximately 18,000 cubic miles (75,000 km3),[4] although its peak is about 120 feet (37 m) lower than that of its neighbor, Mauna Kea. Lava eruptions from Mauna Loa are silica-poor and very fluid, and they tend to be non-explosive.

Mauna Loa has probably been erupting for at least 700,000 years, and may have emerged above sea level about 400,000 years ago. The oldest-known dated rocks are not older than 200,000 years.[5] The volcano's magma comes from the Hawaii hotspot, which has been responsible for the creation of the Hawaiian island chain over tens of millions of years. The slow drift of the Pacific Plate will eventually carry Mauna Loa away from the hotspot within 500,000 to one million years from now, at which point it will become extinct.

Mauna Loa's most recent eruption occurred from March 24 to April 15, 1984. No recent eruptions of the volcano have caused fatalities, but eruptions in 1926 and 1950 destroyed villages, and the city of Hilo is partly built on lava flows from the late 19th century. Because of the potential hazards it poses to population centers, Mauna Loa is part of the Decade Volcanoes program, which encourages studies of the world's most dangerous volcanoes. Mauna Loa has been monitored intensively by the Hawaiian Volcano Observatory since 1912. Observations of the atmosphere are undertaken at the Mauna Loa Observatory, and of the Sun at the Mauna Loa Solar Observatory, both located near the mountain's summit. Hawaii Volcanoes National Park covers the summit and the southeastern flank of the volcano, and also incorporates Kīlauea, a separate volcano.

Kīlauea (/ˌkiːlaʊˈeɪə/, US: /ˌkɪləˈweɪə/; Hawaiian: [tiːlɐwˈwɛjə]) is a currently active shield volcano in the Hawaiian Islands, and the most active of the five volcanoes that together form the island of Hawaiʻi. Located along the southern shore of the island, the volcano is between 300,000 and 600,000 years old and emerged above sea level about 100,000 years ago.

It is the second youngest product of the Hawaiian hotspot and the current eruptive center of the Hawaiian–Emperor seamount chain. Because it lacks topographic prominence and its activities historically coincided with those of Mauna Loa, Kīlauea was once thought to be a satellite of its much larger neighbor. Structurally, Kīlauea has a large, fairly recently formed caldera at its summit and two active rift zones, one extending 125 km (78 mi) east and the other 35 km (22 mi) west, as an active fault of unknown depth moving vertically an average of 2 to 20 mm (0.1 to 0.8 in) per year.

Kīlauea has been erupting nearly continuously since 1983 and has caused considerable property damage, including the destruction of the town of Kalapana in 1990. On May 3, 2018, several lava vents opened in the lower Puna area, downrift from the summit. The new volcanic episode was accompanied by a strong earthquake of Mw 6.9, and nearly 2,000 residents were evacuated from Leilani Estates and the adjacent Lanipuna Gardens development. By May 9, 2018 the eruption had destroyed 27 houses in the Leilani Estates subdivision.
So two classed as dormant and three classed as active ( having erupted in the last ~200 years)Dave
 

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I don't have a feeling for the depth at which these things are occurring.
How deep are:
  • the magma chambers vs. the bottom of the crust?
  • magma chambers of different neighboring volcanoes vs. distance between the neighboring volcanoes?
  • length/depth of the sideways plumbing connecting the big volcano caldera pool with the vents that are active now?
 
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BillTre said:
I don't have a feeling for the depth at which these things are occurring.
How deep are:
  • the magma chambers vs. the bottom of the crust?
  • magma chambers of different neighbouring volcanoes vs. distance between the neighbouring volcanoes?
  • length/depth of the sideways plumbing connecting the big volcano caldera pool with the vents that are active now?
just some round figures

1) the magma chambers vs. the bottom of the crust?

The magma chambers, for the most part, are between the top of the oceanic crust ( the lithosphere is that above diag.) and the top of each volcano.
So they are relatively shallow. The oceanic crust (the lithosphere) is a relatively constant ~ 10km thick. But you can see as the diag. hints at, how the mass of the islands depresses the crust

2) magma chambers of different neighbouring volcanoes vs. distance between the neighbouring volcanoes?

On the Big Island ? or are referring to the extinct ones as well on the islands to the west ?
The individual magma chambers are pretty much directly below each vent. Tho one large chamber may feed several vents.
You could use Google Earth and its measuring app to measure horizontal distances between the centres of the various vents, for both between those on the Big Island and between them and those on the other Hawaiian Islands to the west

eg. one I just did for the Big Island vents ...

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3) length/depth of the sideways plumbing connecting the big volcano caldera pool with the vents that are active now?

I would have to do some searching for that info ... there probably has been some mapping done of underground structures using earthquakesDave
 

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Great!
So something like 10 km down but separated by 3-5 times that distance.
Seem pretty well separated.

In thinking that the vertical scales of these diagrams are usually exaggerated vs. the horizontal scale.
Then the shape of the blobs would be much more flattened, as if they came up and stopped at some layer for whatever reason. Is that the case?
Of course they may just be artistic shapes.
 
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BillTre said:
So something like 10 km down

I would estimate around half that ... 3 to 5 km

OK here we go, I was in the ball park :wink: from Wiki ...

Simplified geophysical models of Mauna Loa's magma chamber have been constructed, using interferometric synthetic aperture radar measures of ground deformation due to the slow buildup of lava under the volcano's surface. These models predict a 1.1 km (1 mi) wide magma chamber located at a depth of about 4.7 km (3 mi), 0.5 km (0 mi) below sea level, near the southeastern margin of Mokuʻāweoweo. This shallow magma chamber is significantly higher-placed than Mauna Loa's rift zones, suggesting magma intrusion into the deeper and occasional dike injections into the shallower parts of the rift zone drive rift activity; a similar mechanism has been proposed for neighboring Kīlauea.[25] Earlier models based on Mauna Loa's two most recent eruptions made a similar prediction, placing the chamber at 3 km (1.9 mi) deep in roughly the same geographic position.[26]

I doubt that the magma chambers for the other vents vary too much from those of Mauna LoaD
 
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So, I am considering these volcano concepts (tell me what I got wrong):
1) different volcanos have separate plumbing systems for thee magma, if one part is draining to another part, they are of the same volcano.
2) Different volcanos would seem to be spatially separate from each other at the level of their hot magma load coming up from the mantle as separate events (but probably with a larger more distant common source, like a hot plume).
3) In Kileuea (see map, from here), magma can flow under ground through cracks (perhaps areas of weakness) of some kind (very linear on the map), before coming up to the surface. I guess these would be close to the surface.
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I wouldn't call these lava tubes (issue with relatives) because they are pre-made in the ground rather than a solidified surface of a flow of lava, but maybe I'm wrong.

What about possible Manipulations:
1935 Bombing of lava tubes to expose a flow to greater cooling is claimed to have saved Hilo.
However, its effectiveness has been disputed.
1) Would that be legal in HI these days?
2) I could see some other possible purposes:
  • Trying to direct a surface flow; like making a trench for it flow in, or making a berm.
  • Trying to greatly increase flow out at one place to alleviate pressure on the whole system in a controlled manner, say at a location where the flow would go right into the ocean (the blue lines in the map above are the lines of greatest fall, paths surface lava should like to follow).
  • Trying to create fractures (fracking or putting bombs down drilled holes) to direct the underground flows).
Do people do any of these these days?
 

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BillTre said:
1) different volcanos have separate plumbing systems for thee magma, if one part is draining to another part, they are of the same volcano.

1) yes, and that is what is happening here. The magma is moving eastwards through the rift system, the result of which is that magma is draining from the main caldera of Kilauea

The vents/feed system of the eastern area of the island ( the Kilauea volcano) is quite complex. It isn't the ummm, "reasonably typical" one or 2 feed tubes branching off from the magma chamber. This is because of all the rifting that is giving magma many, many possible paths with which to push through on the way to the surface.
BillTre said:
2) Different volcanos would seem to be spatially separate from each other at the level of their hot magma load coming up from the mantle as separate events (but probably with a larger more distant common source, like a hot plume).

2) Don't forget that the Hawai'ian Is. chain and hotspot spot is reasonably unique. It is one of only a tiny number of hotspot volcanoes that can be easily observed on land. 99% of them are under sea in various places around the world.

The majority of land based volcanoes seen around the world are the result of subduction zone tectonics and mantle plumes and the like are not a factor.
The magma isn't coming up from the mantle, rather it is a melt produced from the mix of subducting oceanic floor and continental crust. This is why these type of volcanoes are more explosive than the Hawai'ian ones.

BillTre said:
3) In Kilauea (see map, from here), magma can flow under ground through cracks (perhaps areas of weakness) of some kind (very linear on the map), before coming up to the surface. I guess these would be close to the surface.

3) Yes, they do come up close to the surface. In one of those links above, can't remember which, there are comments that the rifting and fissures also go very deep.
The rifting and fissures really do aid in the propagation of magma into other areas.
From what I have read and understand, there is much more rifting associated with the eastern side of the Big Island that on the other side.
And that leads to one of the big concerns for the SE side of the island of a flank collapse along the Eastern Rift sections on the SE side of the Kilauea Volcano.

here's some interesting stuff …..
https://hilo.hawaii.edu/~kenhon/GEOL205/Flank/default.htm
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2007JB005124

BillTre said:
I wouldn't call these lava tubes (issue with relatives) because they are pre-made in the ground rather than a solidified surface of a flow of lava, but maybe I'm wrong.

Correct, lava tubes are a very specific thing and are formed from the flow of lava/magma. The last time I was in Hawai'i, my mate from Kona took me to a big lava tube NW of Kona. It is accessible from the side of the road and isn't overly old. was formed during one of the last lava flows from the Hulalai Volcano.
A lot of the tube was around 3 - 4 metres in diameter … I'm almost 2 metres tall (6'4") so I could walk through much of it without ducking my head.
BillTre said:
What about possible Manipulations:
1935 Bombing of lava tubes to expose a flow to greater cooling is claimed to have saved Hilo.
However, its effectiveness has been disputed.
1) Would that be legal in HI these days?
2) I could see some other possible purposes:
  • Trying to direct a surface flow; like making a trench for it flow in, or making a berm.
  • Trying to greatly increase flow out at one place to alleviate pressure on the whole system in a controlled manner, say at a location where the flow would go right into the ocean (the blue lines in the map above are the lines of greatest fall, paths surface lava should like to follow).
  • Trying to create fractures (fracking or putting bombs down drilled holes) to direct the underground flows).
Do people do any of these, these days?
1) Would that be legal in HI these days? …. probably not , imagine the public uproar. Apart from that, would you want to take responsibility if the activity caused a huge increase in volcanic activity ? Considering the flank instability of the Eastern Rift Zone,
it could induce a major disaster.

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Do people do any of these these days?

I know of only two cases where active efforts were done to divert lava flows...

1) In the Iceland Island of Heimaey, 1973
https://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1997/of97-724/methods.html

2) On Mt Etna, Sicily, the use of huge concrete blocks dropped from helicopters to divert the flows.Dave
 
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davenn said:
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I know of only two cases where active efforts were done to divert lava flows...

1) In the Iceland Island of Heimaey, 1973
https://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1997/of97-724/methods.html

2) On Mt Etna, Sicily, the use of huge concrete blocks dropped from helicopters to divert the flows.Dave

I ran across the following about a week ago.

Jan-Feb 1960 Kilauea eruption, at about the same location as the current activity:

@ 08:00: "Bulldozers are called to work..."


CSAV Hawaii: 1960 Eruption of Kapoho
LongVideosCSAV [Center for the Study of Active Volcanoes]
Published on Jan 10, 2011

@ 09:46 "...every bulldozer in the area is mobilized to build the highest dike yet attempted."

The video is interesting in that it wasn't publicly available until 2011.
ref: Fred Rackle, born in 1920, moved to Honolulu in 1938 as an Army Corps photographer.
 
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A few days ago, I noted that the anniversary of the Mt. Saint Helens' 1980 eruption was coming up, which is today, so I did some "independent" research. :redface:

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Fortunately, the USGS came to the same conclusion, as far as I can tell:


But, as anyone with half a brain knows, there is an alignment of the earth, moon, and sun every two weeks.
And there are not "world altering" earthquakes every two weeks. :oldeyes:

davenn said:
Correct, lava tubes are a very specific thing and are formed from the flow of lava/magma.

I should probably clarify something I said earlier;

OmCheeto said:
Mount St. Helens is only 50 miles from my house, and I stay the hell away from it.

At the ripe old age of 21, I got about as close as I could get to St. Helens. A place called:
Ape Cave
Ape Cave is a lava tube located ... just to the south of Mount St. Helens in Washington state. Its passageway is the longest continuous lava tube in the continental United States ... Lava tubes are an unusual formation in this region, as volcanoes of the Cascade Range are mostly stratovolcanos and do not typically erupt with pahoehoe (fluid basalt).

 

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