Heavier bosons and their function and detection

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the detection and function of heavier bosons, specifically the W and Higgs bosons, in relation to their energy requirements. Participants explore the differences between their detection as separate particles and their roles as quantum fields, as well as the concept of virtual particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that heavier bosons like W and H require high energy accelerators for detection as separate particles, yet they can function in lower ambient energy environments.
  • It is proposed that quantum fields may be seen as virtual particles that become real detectable particles when high energy is imparted.
  • Others argue that virtual particles are a more restrictive concept than quantum fields, emphasizing that they are used in specific mathematical contexts and should not be conflated with quantum fields.
  • One participant suggests that the W and H bosons can be likened to a "buddhist monk," indicating they have a low ground state but require significant external excitation to become active.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between quantum fields and virtual particles, with no consensus reached on whether they can be equivalently understood. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific definitions of virtual particles and quantum fields, which may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion also touches on the mathematical treatment of these concepts without resolving the underlying complexities.

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Heavier bosons like ##W## or ##H## require high energy accelerator to be detected. Yet these bosons fulfill their function in the ambient energy of the universe. Why is it that their detection takes high energy environment but their function is possible in lower ambient energy?
 
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Ranku said:
Heavier bosons like ##W## or ##H## require high energy accelerator to be detected.

They require a high energy experiment to be detected as separate particles. They do not require a high energy environment to function as quantum fields.
 
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PeterDonis said:
They require a high energy experiment to be detected as separate particles. They do not require a high energy environment to function as quantum fields.
So can these quantum fields be equivalently seen as virtual particles, that become real detectable particles upon the impartation of high energy?
 
Ranku said:
So can these quantum fields be equivalently seen as virtual particles,

No, these are different (but of course related) concepts. "Virtual particle" is a name for certain part of mathematics that we use when we do perturbative calculations. And this is the only place where virtual particles appear. Quantum fields are basic objects in QFT and trying to think that they can be equivalently seen as something else is not a good idea. You replace one relatively hard concept with other which you think is easier to grasp, and it's not. Fields are fields. Virtual particles are virtual particles, and real particles are yet another concept - a very specific states of the field. You can't mix those three concepts, they are important all by their own.
 
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PeterDonis said:
They require a high energy experiment to be detected as separate particles. They do not require a high energy environment to function as quantum fields.
W and H are like a buddhist monk. They have a very low ground state, but need a lot of external excitation to get excited. :oldbiggrin:
 
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