Help for solving a 2nd order non-linear ODE

[AdrianZ]

Homework Statement

yy''-y'^2 = y^2lny

The Attempt at a Solution

well, since the equation is of the form f(y,y',y'')=0 I turn it into the form f(y,p,p dp/dy)=0.
After those substitutions are made, we'll have the following equation:
yp (\frac{dp}{dy})-p^2-y^2 lny=0
which is a Bernoulli equation that can be solved easily. the solution of this ODE is:
p^2=y^2lny+cy^2
Here's where I'm stuck, because If I substitute y'=p again I'll have an ODE that I don't know how to solve it, I guess the general solution will be parametric, but I don't know how to proceed from this step.

 

[Stephen Tashi]

yy''-y'^2 = y^2lny

One thought is:
D( \frac{y'}{y}) = ln(y)
\frac{y'}{y} = \int ln(y)

 

[dextercioby]

Have you tried a substitution y(x)=e^q(x) ?

 

[AdrianZ]

One thought is:
D( \frac{y'}{y}) = ln(y)
\frac{y'}{y} = \int ln(y)

Would you explain more please?

Have you tried a substitution y(x)=e^q(x) ?

I don't know how that would work. Would you explain more?

 

[Mark44]

One thought is:
D( \frac{y'}{y}) = ln(y)
\frac{y'}{y} = \int ln(y)

Would you explain more please?

Stephen has these backwards.

D(ln(y)) = y'/y
so ln(y) = ∫(y'/y)

 

[AdrianZ]

Stephen has these backwards.

D(ln(y)) = y'/y
so ln(y) = ∫(y'/y)

Yes, I understood that, but how does that help?

I think this is what he means:
y'^2 = y^2 lny + cy^2→ y^{-2}y'^2-lny=C
→ \frac{y'^2}{y^2} - lny = C→ (\frac{y'}{y})^2 - (\int{\frac{y'}{y}dy})=C
Hence, the equation has turned into the form u'^2 - u = C. Has anything changed? Can I solve this one?

 

[Stephen Tashi]

Stephen has these backwards.

D(ln(y)) = y'/y
so ln(y) = ∫(y'/y)

That's not my thought. My thought is that the original equation is equivalent to the equation D(\frac{y'}{y}) = ln(y)

But employing what you said:

D(\frac{y'}{y}) = \int \frac{y'}{y}

 

[AdrianZ]

Ahh, now I see what you mean. That's a great way of doing this ODE once you know that D(y'/y)=(yy''-y'^2)/y^2. Is there anyway to proceed with my own method?

 

[Stephen Tashi]

Is there anyway to proceed with my own method?

I don't see how to use your method. As understand the situation, the solution of the Bernoulli equation that you employ assumes that p is a known function. But p isn't known.

 

[dextercioby]

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I don't know how that would work. Would you explain more?

It would get you rid of the natural logarithm and perhaps the transformed ODE would be integrable...

 

[Dickfore]

the solution of this ODE is:
p^2=y^2lny+cy^2

Your solution is wrong at this step!

The correct solution is:

<br /> p y^2 (C + \ln^2{y}) = 1, \ p = y&#039;<br />

If you split the variables, the integral over y is expressible in terms of elementary functions.