Help prove the limit of x^n/n = 0

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The discussion centers around the limit of the expression x^n/n! as n approaches infinity, with participants exploring why this limit equals zero for all x. The subject area involves calculus, particularly limits and the behavior of factorial functions compared to polynomial expressions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the growth rates of factorial functions versus polynomial functions, with some suggesting the use of logarithms and L'Hospital's rule. Others inquire about the convergence of series related to the limit in question.

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Several participants have offered insights and hints regarding bounding techniques and the behavior of sequences. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Some participants express uncertainty about concepts such as series and sigma notation, indicating a potential gap in foundational knowledge that may affect their understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement


lim x^n/n! = 0 for all x
n->∞


Homework Equations


No equations, but I am currently in Calculus II in my first semester here at my University. Please help me prove why this limit is true!


The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried to use natural logarithms and L'Hospital's rule, but I don't know if I can derive (n!). Any ideas?
 
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dwelch5 said:

Homework Statement


lim x^n/n! = 0 for all x
n->∞


Homework Equations


No equations, but I am currently in Calculus II in my first semester here at my University. Please help me prove why this limit is true!


The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried to use natural logarithms and L'Hospital's rule, but I don't know if I can derive (n!). Any ideas?

Do you know that the factorial function grows faster than any x^n?
 
Zondrina said:
Do you know that the factorial function grows faster than any x^n?

Yeah I do know this, but I am not sure how to prove it.
 
dwelch5 said:

Homework Statement


lim x^n/n! = 0 for all x
n->∞


Homework Equations


No equations, but I am currently in Calculus II in my first semester here at my University. Please help me prove why this limit is true!


The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried to use natural logarithms and L'Hospital's rule, but I don't know if I can derive (n!). Any ideas?

Have you seen series?? Can you show that

[tex]\sum_{n=1}^{+\infty} \frac{x^n}{n!}[/tex]

converges?
 
dwelch5 said:
Yeah I do know this, but I am not sure how to prove it.

Assume x > 0. We then have
[tex]\log\left(\frac{x^n}{n!}\right) = n \log(x) - \log(1) - \log(2) - \cdots - \log(n).[/tex]
Try to bound the sum of the logs. (Hint: compare log(j) with the integral of log(x) over [j-1,j] or [j,j+1], whichever one gives you what you need.)

RGV
 
micromass said:
Have you seen series?? Can you show that

[tex]\sum_{n=1}^{+\infty} \frac{x^n}{n!}[/tex]

converges?

To be honest I really don't know what that means. In high school our teacher didn't worry about that kind of sigma notation because it wasn't on the AP test. So I kind of understand it after reading into it myself, but it was never anything that got set into my mind.

Ray Vickson said:
Assume x > 0. We then have
[tex]\log\left(\frac{x^n}{n!}\right) = n \log(x) - \log(1) - \log(2) - \cdots - \log(n).[/tex]
Try to bound the sum of the logs. (Hint: compare log(j) with the integral of log(x) over [j-1,j] or [j,j+1], whichever one gives you what you need.)

RGV

I think I know what you mean. I'm going to try this out tomorrow. But thanks guys.
 
Fun fact :

[tex]e^x = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{x^n}{n!}[/tex]
 
dwelch5 said:

Homework Statement


lim x^n/n! = 0 for all x
n->∞


Homework Equations


No equations, but I am currently in Calculus II in my first semester here at my University. Please help me prove why this limit is true!


The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried to use natural logarithms and L'Hospital's rule, but I don't know if I can derive (n!). Any ideas?

You can also use the fact that for 0 < x < N, and n > N we have
[tex]0 < \frac{x^n}{n!} < \frac{N^n}{n!} <br /> = \frac{N^N}{N!} \frac{N}{N+1} \frac{N}{N+2} \cdots \frac{N}{n}.[/tex]
For any r in (0,1) we have
[tex]\frac{N}{N+1} \frac{N}{N+2} \cdots \frac{N}{n} < r^{n-N}[/tex] for all n sufficiently large (why?) so the desired result follows for any x.

RGV
 
Choose any fixed [itex]x[/itex]. If [itex]a_n = x^n / n![/itex], then
[tex]\left|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right| = \left| \frac{x^{n+1} n!}{x^n (n+1)!}\right| = \frac{|x|}{n+1}[/tex]
which is arbitrarily small if [itex]n[/itex] is large enough. In particular, if I choose [itex]r[/itex] with [itex]0 < r < 1[/itex], then for sufficiently large [itex]n[/itex], say [itex]n \geq N[/itex], we have [itex]|a_{n+1}/a_{n}| < r[/itex]. What can you conclude?
 
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Ray Vickson said:
You can also use the fact that for 0 < x < N, and n > N we have
[tex]0 < \frac{x^n}{n!} < \frac{N^n}{n!} <br /> = \frac{N^N}{N!} \frac{N}{N+1} \frac{N}{N+2} \cdots \frac{N}{n}.[/tex]
For any r in (0,1) we have
[tex]\frac{N}{N+1} \frac{N}{N+2} \cdots \frac{N}{n} < r^{n-N}[/tex] for all n sufficiently large (why?) so the desired result follows for any x.

RGV

This explanation actually helped a lot. Thanks so much to you and the others that tried helping
 

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