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The discussion revolves around the numeric conditioning of the area of a triangle, represented by the formula S = 1/2 ab sin(γ). Participants explore how errors in the variables a, b, and γ affect the computed area S, focusing on the propagation of these errors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the concept of numeric conditioning and its implications for the area formula.
  • Another participant suggests that the discussion pertains to how errors in the measurements of a, b, and γ propagate to affect the area S.
  • Participants discuss the formulas for absolute and relative errors, indicating how they relate to the variables involved.
  • It is noted that the contribution of errors in a and b to the relative error in S is directly proportional to the relative errors in a and b, respectively.
  • For the angle γ, a participant provides a formula for the relative error in S that incorporates the cotangent of γ, suggesting that for small angles, the relative error simplifies to the relative error in γ.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the focus of the discussion regarding the amplification of relative errors in the context of the area formula, but there is no consensus on the specific implications or interpretations of numeric conditioning.

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The discussion does not resolve the nuances of how different types of errors interact or the specific conditions under which the approximations hold true.

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Hi,
I have the following problem : Area of a triangle is given by S = 1/2 ab sin(γ) (See figure).
Discuss numeric conditioning of S. Any tips appreciated :D
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natalia said:
Hi,
I have the following problem : Area of a triangle is given by S = 1/2 ab sin(γ) (See figure).
Discuss numeric conditioning of S. Any tips appreciated :D
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Hi natalia! ;)

I'm not quite sure what is intended with numeric conditioning...
Can you clarify?

What I can imagine is that we'd like to know how errors in $a, b, γ$ propagate.
The general formula for the absolute error is:
$$\Delta y \approx \frac{dy}{dx} \Delta x$$
For the relative error (as you might deduce) it is:
$$\frac{\Delta y}{y} \approx \frac x y \frac{dy}{dx} \frac{\Delta x} x$$

In your problem you would get:
For the contribution of $\Delta a$: $\frac{\Delta S}S = \frac{\Delta a}a$
For the contribution of $\Delta b$: $\frac{\Delta S}S = \frac{\Delta b}b$
For the contribution of $\Delta γ$: $\Delta S = \frac 1 2 a b \cos γ \Delta γ$
 
Yes, it refers to amplification of the relative error.
 
natalia said:
Yes, it refers to amplification of the relative error.

Aha! :D

Then, to complete it, we have for $Δγ$:

$$\frac{ΔS}{S}
= \frac{\frac 12 ab \cos γΔγ}{\frac 12 ab \sin γ}
= γ\cot γ \cdot \frac{Δγ}{γ}
$$

For small angles $γ$ this is approximately $\frac{Δγ}{γ}$.
 
Thank you again, I like Serena :)
 

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