Convergence and Conditions for Integrating an Infinite Series Solution

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the function (e^-x)/x, exploring methods for integration and the nature of its solution. Participants are examining whether the integral can be expressed in terms of elementary functions or if it requires an infinite series approach.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss various methods for tackling the integral, including substitution and integration by parts. Some express skepticism about the existence of a closed-form solution, suggesting the use of power series for approximation. Others raise questions about the convergence of the series and the conditions necessary for term-by-term integration.

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The conversation is ongoing, with multiple perspectives being explored regarding the integration of the function. Some participants have suggested using power series, while others are questioning the validity of these approaches and the conditions for convergence. There is no explicit consensus on the best method or the nature of the solution.

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Participants are considering the implications of using power series and the need to verify convergence conditions before integrating term by term. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in finding a solution to the integral.

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hey. i got an integral:
INT = integral

INT (e^-x)/x dx

PLEASE HELP
 
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make a substitution
 
sorry, but i do not see how will a substitution help. i ahve tried it. i have also tried the integration by part and did not get anywhere. please explain, and show some details. thanks
 
i do not think this has any nice solution, i mean in terms of any elementary function. I believe it does not have any closed form, unless we want to expand the function under integral sign using power series, and then integrate term per term, we would get an approximation of it. Use this link http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ExponentialIntegral.html
 
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Can't you just use integration by parts over and over again...let u=1/x, then 1/x^2, etc and keep letting dv=e^-x dx?
 
sutupidmath said:
i do not think this has any nice solution, i mean in terms of any elementary function. I believe it does not have any closed form, unless we want to expand the function under integral sign using power series, and then integrate term per term, we would get an approximation of it. Use this link http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ExponentialIntegral.html
Ha, you beat me to it. Can you believe it took me at least 6 minutes to write my two-line post?

DanielleL5432 said:
Can't you just use integration by parts over and over again...let u=1/x, then 1/x^2, etc and keep letting dv=e^-x dx?
Sure, but what does that get you?
 
DanielleL5432 said:
Can't you just use integration by parts over and over again...let u=1/x, then 1/x^2, etc and keep letting dv=e^-x dx?

Yes, that would give you an infinite series solution.

I think it would be easier to start with an infinite series:
e^{-x}= 1- x+ \frac{1}{2}x^2- \cdot\cdot\cdot\+ \frac{(-1)^n}{n!}x^n+\cdot\cdot\codt
so
\frac{e^{-x}}{x}= \frac{1}{x}- 1+ \frac{1}{2}x- \cdot\cdot\cdot\+ \frac{(-1)^n}{n!}x^{n-1}+\cdot\cdot\codt

Integrate that to get an infinite series solution.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Yes, that would give you an infinite series solution.

I think it would be easier to start with an infinite series:
e^{-x}= 1- x+ \frac{1}{2}x^2- \cdot\cdot\cdot\+ \frac{(-1)^n}{n!}x^n+\cdot\cdot\codt
so
\frac{e^{-x}}{x}= \frac{1}{x}- 1+ \frac{1}{2}x- \cdot\cdot\cdot\+ \frac{(-1)^n}{n!}x^{n-1}+\cdot\cdot\codt

Integrate that to get an infinite series solution.

Wouldn't he need firs to determine whether this series converges uniformly, and whether they fullfill some other conditions which i do not actually know exactly which are they? Or it is obvious that this series can be integrated term by term?

P.S. Pardone my ignorance!
 

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