Help with logistic-like function

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The discussion revolves around deriving a function related to population growth modeling, specifically seeking a function with a specified derivative that extends the logistic function. The original poster expresses difficulty in progressing with their project at a senior high school level.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive a function based on a modified logistic equation and seeks assistance in understanding the implications of the derivative they provided. Participants discuss the concept of separable differential equations and integration techniques, while the original poster questions their understanding of calculus concepts.

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Participants are engaging in a back-and-forth exchange, with some offering guidance on integration methods and terminology. The original poster is processing the information but expresses uncertainty about their calculus skills and whether to simplify their model.

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The original poster mentions their high school level of understanding in calculus and indicates they have not yet encountered integration by parts, which may affect their ability to follow the discussion. There is an ongoing exploration of the complexity of the problem and the appropriateness of the model being used.

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Hey, I am doing a project on population growth modelling, and I have hit a brick wall in trying to derive a function to represent an aspect of my population

I understand that the derivative of a logistic function is
P'(t)=P(t)(1-P(t))

and from there one can obtain the function P(t)= 1/(1+e^(-t))

However, it seems that the logistic function is too simple for my purposes and I need a function with the following derivative

P'(t)=P(t)(1-P(t)) - P(t-a)(1-P(t-a)) where a is a constant

My problem is to find the function with the above derivative

Anyone have ideas?
I've literally sat down and stared at this thing for the last week and got nothing.

FYI I'm at a senior grade high school level
 
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Hey, I am doing a project on population growth modelling, and I have hit a brick wall in trying to derive a function to represent an aspect of my population

I understand that the derivative of a logistic function is
P'(t)=P(t)(1-P(t))

and from there one can obtain the function P(t)= 1/(1+e^(-t))

However, it seems that the logistic function is too simple for my purposes and I need a function with the following derivative

P'(t)=P(t)(1-P(t)) - P(t-a)(1-P(t-a)) where a is a constant

My problem is to find the function with the above derivative

Anyone have ideas?
I've literally sat down and stared at this thing for the last week and got nothing.

FYI I'm at a senior grade high school level

You've got a separable differential equation. dP/dt=P(1-P). You find a general solution by writing dP/(P(1-P))=dt and integrating both sides. Do the left side by parts. You have had calculus, right? How much do you know? If not enough, keep asking questions.
 
Hey
I'll try to digest what you said
Thanks for the reply though
I've only done enough calculus to barely understand what's going on
I haven't done integration by parts but I use wolframalpha for that XD

Thanks
 
Alright I tried what you suggested
...I have no idea what that is x.X

I know how to do integration and stuff but I've never integrated dt or dP before

Any tips?
Or am I biting off more than I can chew and should simplify my model?
 
x -> dx
t -> dt
P -> dP

You can use for your variable any symbol you want. There are no separate rules for dx, dt, dP - it is exactly the same integration.
 

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