Help with Modeling Circuits Using Sedra/Smith Book

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around modeling circuits using the Sedra/Smith Microelectronics book, specifically focusing on how to rewrite a given circuit diagram in a closed loop manner. Participants explore the differences in circuit representation compared to a previous textbook and seek clarification on voltage sources and grounding in the context of circuit analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to rewrite a circuit in a closed loop format as presented in the Sedra/Smith book, contrasting it with their previous learning experience.
  • Another participant shares a diagram that may illustrate a potential solution to the original query regarding circuit modeling.
  • Questions arise about the grounding of voltage sources and how to calculate potential differences in the circuit, indicating uncertainty about the correct approach.
  • A later reply confirms that the grounding of voltage sources should be unified and explains that the diagram reflects the potentials relative to earth, suggesting that this understanding may lead to unexpected results in calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to modeling the circuit, as there are varying interpretations of grounding and potential difference calculations. Some clarity is provided, but uncertainty remains regarding the application of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in understanding the grounding conventions and the implications of circuit representation as per the Sedra/Smith book. There may be missing assumptions about the circuit configuration that are not explicitly stated.

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Hi

A year ago I took an Electronics course using https://www.amazon.com/dp/0805302859/?tag=pfamazon01-20 book.

So few days ago I realized that I didn't remember anything about the subject and then started studying again from the ground up and chose the Sedra/Smith Microelectronics book for the task. So in this book I stumbled upon a different way of modeling the circuits, like this one:

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/5637/diodecircuit.png

My question is: How do I rewrite this kind of circuit in a closed loop manner? The other book that I mentioned usually provided the closed loop circuit, so it was a trivial task to analyze them. But this one I have no idea, and the introductory chapter doesn't mention anything about it...

Thanks in advance.
 
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This sort of thing?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4222062/diode%20problem.PNG
 
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So you're saying that I must plug all the voltage sources of my circuit to that GND? And how about the other GND in that picture? the Potential Difference will be calculated between the point after the 10k resistor and the the junction between the 2 voltage sources and the other diode?
 
Lanot said:
So you're saying that I must plug all the voltage sources of my circuit to that GND? And how about the other GND in that picture? the Potential Difference will be calculated between the point after the 10k resistor and the the junction between the 2 voltage sources and the other diode?

Yes.
The other terminal of voltage sources shown like this is earthed, and all Earth's can be considered joined together.

The diagram in the book actually shows the components laid out according to the potentials at various points in the circuit, relative to earth.

You may get a surprise when you work out what V is.
 
Excellent!

Thank you so much.
 

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