Help with Physics lab idea (creative)

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The discussion revolves around creative ideas for a physics lab focused on measuring the width of a hair using wave diffraction, potentially with a laser. Participants explore various methods, materials, and experimental conditions to enhance the uniqueness and interest of the lab project.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using different lengths of hair, colored lasers, and measuring multiple hairs to demonstrate the accuracy of the experiment.
  • Another proposes investigating how humidity affects hair width and length, referencing a hair hygrometer.
  • A different contributor recounts a past experiment involving measuring the width of an onion cell with a digital microscope and UV laser, indicating the need for specific equipment for distant measurements.
  • There is a clarification about using different minimums in diffraction patterns, with a diagram provided to illustrate the concept.
  • One participant asks for clarification on the term "different minimums" used in the context of the experiment.
  • Another participant suggests using various wavelengths of lasers to potentially improve measurement accuracy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing ideas and approaches without reaching a consensus on a single method or procedure for the lab project.

Contextual Notes

Some suggestions depend on the availability of specific materials and equipment, and there are unresolved questions about the implications of using different experimental conditions.

E11ie
Hiya!
In school we have tha task to create our own phy lab. I am going to investigate the width of a hair using wave diffraction (a laser maybe?).
Does anyone have any creative ideas on how to develop the lab to make it more uniqe and interesting. E.g measuring from different distances. Or maybe even another procedure than a laser?
Thankful for any tip:))
-Ellie
 
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You could demonstrate the accuracy of the scheme by:
- using different lengths of hair to screen
- using different minimums
- using different colored lasers
- using a micrometer
- measuring the width of a 100 hairs
- measuring different hairs from family, friends, strangers and pets.

You could also measure violin bow hair, or paint brush hair or a bristle from a room

and for the violin hair you could add rosen to see how mush its width changes
or soak the hair in water to see if it changes.

You could contrast the hair width with other thin things like a sharp pencl line, or the edge of paper.
 
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perhaps you could try measuring by how much the width of hair (and its length) changes with humidity. To understand why I'm suggesting this google "hair hygrometer".
 
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Try something crazy small, too.

I had a high school student once do something similar to measure the width of an onion cell. Afterwards (or maybe prior to...cant really remember) he stained the cell and got an actual measurement using our digital microscope. We found the idea in an issue of the Physics Teacher, not sure which one exactly. To make it work he had to use an UV laser projected on neon poster board, because the normal lasers were too dim at the distance we used (something like 10 feet).
 
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jedishrfu said:
demonstrate the accuracy of the scheme

jedishrfu said:
You could demonstrate the accuracy of the scheme by:
- using different lengths of hair to screen
- using different minimums
- using different colored lasers
- using a micrometer
- measuring the width of a 100 hairs
- measuring different hairs from family, friends, strangers and pets.

You could also measure violin bow hair, or paint brush hair or a bristle from a room

and for the violin hair you could add rosen to see how mush its width changes
or soak the hair in water to see if it changes.

You could contrast the hair width with other thin things like a sharp pencl line, or the edge of paper.
What do you mean by "using different minimums"?, thank you for the answer! very helpful:)
 
They usually use the first minimum width when making the calculation. However the formula allows for 2nd, 3rd ... minimums to be used. The minimums are the dark bands as counted from the center of the beam on the wall with the first minimum being the closest dark band to the right and left of the center.

Here's a diagram showing minimums and a diffraction image:

intensity.jpg
 
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E11ie said:
Hiya!
In school we have tha task to create our own phy lab. I am going to investigate the width of a hair using wave diffraction (a laser maybe?).
Does anyone have any creative ideas on how to develop the lab to make it more uniqe and interesting. E.g measuring from different distances. Or maybe even another procedure than a laser?
Thankful for any tip:))
-Ellie

First of all, let's establish that you know how to do the "standard" experiment with this. It should be similar to what has been described here:

http://www.jedc.org/stemak/sites/default/files/Measuring the diameter of a hair using a laser.pdf

In terms of how to make it more "unique and interesting", it depends on what you have available to you. Do you have a number of laser pointers with different wavelengths? Maybe repeating this experiment with different wavelengths and figuring out which ones might give you a more accurate measurement might be a simple and slightly different approach.

Zz.
 
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