Help with understanding electromagnetic induction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on understanding electromagnetic induction, specifically how induced current occurs in a conductor when it is stationary relative to a moving magnetic field. Participants explore the mechanisms behind this phenomenon and seek clarification on the underlying principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that a moving charge produces a magnetic field and questions how induced current occurs in a stationary conductor when a magnet is moved around it, suggesting a need for the conductor to have its own magnetic field.
  • Another participant argues that it is not necessary for the induced current to be due to magnetic force; instead, they propose that the movement of the magnet creates a changing electromagnetic field, which includes an electric field component that can exert forces on the electrons in the conductor.
  • Several participants express confusion regarding the explanation of electromagnetic induction and seek further clarification.
  • A participant provides external resources, including a link to Faraday's law of induction and an article about aviation ignition magnetos, to illustrate the principles of electromagnetic induction in practical applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding, with some agreeing on the basic principles of electromagnetic induction while others remain confused about the mechanisms involved. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the explanations provided.

Contextual Notes

Participants' understanding appears to depend on their grasp of the relationship between magnetic fields and induced currents, as well as the role of electric fields in this context. There are unresolved questions about the necessity of a magnetic field in the conductor itself for induction to occur.

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When a charge is in motion, it produces a magnetic field. If the charge is in an external magnetic field, a magnetic force is induced on the charge. This I understand.

When a conductor is moving relative to a magnetic field, there is an induced current in the conductor. This I don't get. If the conductor is stationary, and the magnet is moved around it, then how is there a magnetic force exerted on the electrons in the conductor to induce a current? Wouldn't the conductor need its own magnetic field for a magnetic force to be exerted on it, and for it to have a magnetic field wouldn't it have to be in motion?

Thanks in advance.
 
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It doesn't have to be magnetic force to induce current. If the magnet is moved, the field it creates is no longer a static magnetic field; it's electromagnetic field instead. The E-component of the field exerts forces on the electrons of the conductor.
 
I don't get it.
 
coreluccio said:
I don't get it.

Where do you not get it?
 
The entirety of what you said.
 
Take a look at the illustration of an aviation ignition magneto on page 3 of this article by Will Fox:

http://eaa691.org/files/Tech%20Note%20%232%20Magnetos.pdf

The rotating 4-pole magnet induces an alternating magnetic field in the iron core, which generates a voltage and current in the coil (primary = 180 turns). This is a battery-less ignition system, where the power is generated by the rotating permanent magnet. This works on the Faraday law of induction.

Bob S
 

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