Hinged lever held by a string - Problem regarding forces

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of forces acting on a hinged lever held by a string, particularly focusing on the relationship between the load position and the intersection of the contact force from the wall and the tension in the string. The scope includes theoretical mechanics and static equilibrium principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant observes that the intersection of the contact force and tension is always directly above the load, questioning whether this is universally true and seeking proof through formulas or theories.
  • Another participant asserts that it is always true, referencing a theorem in mechanics regarding three forces in static equilibrium intersecting at a single point or being parallel, although they do not specify the theorem's name.
  • A third participant suggests that if the forces did not intersect as described, it would result in a couple that would cause rotation, recalling its application in their A level statics course.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the universal applicability of the initial observation; while one participant claims it is always true, others provide supporting reasoning without explicitly agreeing or disagreeing on the proof or implications.

Contextual Notes

The discussion lacks formal definitions of the forces involved and does not resolve the mathematical steps needed to prove the claims made. The reliance on personal experience and historical notation systems may introduce limitations in the argumentation.

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I've come upon this phenomenon that as you shift the load left, or right, or anywhere along the lever, the intersection of the directions for the contact force due to the wall and the tension from the string will always be directly above the center of the load. I figured this out by accurate drawing.

However, is this always true? If Yes, how do you prove it? (i.e., formulas? theories? rules?)
 
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Yes, it's always true. There's a theorem in mechanics that says if three forces act on a body that is in static equilibrium, the lines of action of those three forces must intersect at a single point (or all be parallel). In your example, the weight of the load acts as one of those forces and its line of action is vertical. (I don't know if this theorem has a name--somebody must have been the first to notice it.)
 
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If it were not so, there would be a resultant couple and 'something' would rotate. I think that the old system of Bow's (spelling) Notation was based on this fact. We did it a A level, I remember, and it was used for working out the forces in complicated, loaded frameworks in our 'statics' course.
 

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