House electrical lines AC voltage are forming sinusoidal waveform

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The discussion revolves around the nature of AC voltage waveforms in household electrical lines, specifically questioning whether they form a sinusoidal waveform and how such waveforms can be measured. The scope includes theoretical considerations, practical measurement techniques, and safety concerns related to measuring AC mains voltages.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks if AC voltage in household lines forms a sinusoidal waveform and where such waveforms can be found.
  • Another participant explains that oscilloscopes are used to measure voltage waveforms and describes the differences between analog and digital oscilloscopes.
  • A caution is raised regarding the hazards of measuring AC mains voltages, emphasizing the need for experience and proper understanding when using oscilloscopes or multimeters.
  • It is noted that while a sinusoidal waveform is typical for household AC, similar waveforms might be produced by inverters, which convert DC to AC for low-powered devices.
  • Participants express concern about safety when measuring AC mains voltages, reiterating the importance of consulting experts or electricians.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the safety concerns associated with measuring AC mains voltages and the use of oscilloscopes for waveform observation. However, there is no consensus on the exact nature of the waveforms present in household electrical lines, as some suggest sinusoidal waveforms while others indicate that different waveforms may be produced by inverters.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the potential hazards of measuring AC mains voltages and the importance of proper equipment and knowledge. There are unresolved questions regarding the specific characteristics of waveforms in household electrical systems versus those produced by inverters.

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Hello

I want to ask that in all customers or house electrical lines AC voltage are forming sinusoidal waveform.


http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3859/voltagewavwform.jpg

This kind of waveform exists or not, if exists, so in were?
And can we check waveform of any voltages or currents, which device show that,
 
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The device which used to measure signals in voltage forms is oscilloscopes. On the simplest level, an oscilloscope has a pair of terminals for connecting the voltage to be measured and a display, which produces a graph of the voltage as a function of time.
There are two different types of oscilloscopes: analog and digital. Although analog oscilloscopes are still available, because of the additional features and many other advantages, digital scopes are widely used.

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muet said:
Hello

I want to ask that in all customers or house electrical lines AC voltage are forming sinusoidal waveform.


http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3859/voltagewavwform.jpg

This kind of waveform exists or not, if exists, so in were?
And can we check waveform of any voltages or currents, which device show that,

In addition to m.s.j.'s reply, I need to caution you about trying to measure the AC Mains voltages. Those voltages are extremely hazardous, especially if you do not have a lot of experience (which it sounds like you do not, based on your post). If you use an oscilloscope, you MUST understand what you are doing, since most oscilloscopes are grounded instruments, and you can short the AC Mains to ground if you connect it up incorrectly.

Even if you are using a hand-held digital multimeter (DMM) to measure the amplitude of the AC Mains voltage, there is still a significant shock hazard if you are not careful.

I would recommend that you consult a local expert or electrician to help answer your questions.
 
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That waveform would not normally be found on power supplies to a house, but something similar could be found on the output of an inverter.

An inverter converts a lower voltage (like 12 or 24 Volts DC ) to something like the power supply voltage to run low powered mains devices from 12 or 24 volts.

Such inverters can run devices like shavers where the exact waveform does not matter too much. Ideally the waveform should be a sinewave, but cheaper inverters might produce a rough approximation of a sinewave.

And, yes, you would observe the waveform (carefully ! ) with an oscilloscope.
 
berkeman said:
In addition to m.s.j.'s reply, I need to caution you about trying to measure the AC Mains voltages. Those voltages are extremely hazardous, especially if you do not have a lot of experience (which it sounds like you do not, based on your post). If you use an oscilloscope, you MUST understand what you are doing, since most oscilloscopes are grounded instruments, and you can short the AC Mains to ground if you connect it up incorrectly.

Even if you are using a hand-held digital multimeter (DMM) to measure the amplitude of the AC Mains voltage, there is still a significant shock hazard if you are not careful.

I would recommend that you consult a local expert or electrician to help answer your questions.


Dear berkeman,

Thank you very much, your important caution shame me, I had just theoretical look-see to subject, that caution should be given by me.


BEST REGARDS
M.S.J
 

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