How are cable sizing calculations performed?

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The discussion revolves around the process of cable sizing calculations, particularly in the context of the oil and gas industry. Participants seek guidance on the step-by-step procedure and calculations involved in preparing cable sizing documents, with a focus on specific voltage and current requirements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests guidance on cable sizing calculations, asking for examples and a detailed procedure.
  • Another participant inquires about the context of the question, specifically the current and voltage involved.
  • A participant mentions the importance of peak amp draw and wire type (copper or aluminum) in cable sizing, providing a reference chart for ampacities.
  • Specific calculations are presented for a system with a 150A motor, detailing the impact of insulation class on wire sizing.
  • Concerns are raised about the variability of standards across different countries, particularly referencing the National Electric Code (NEC) and its applicability in the U.S. compared to other regions.
  • A participant from the UAE expresses a desire for tutorials on cable sizing calculations relevant to their work in the oil and gas sector.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and requirements for cable sizing, with no consensus on a singular method or standard to follow. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best practices and resources for cable sizing calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that cable sizing is influenced by factors such as insulation class, peak amp draw, and regional standards, which may not be universally applicable. There is also mention of the need for up-to-date resources and charts, as standards may differ by location.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals working in electrical engineering, particularly in industries such as oil and gas, as well as those studying electrical systems and cable sizing methodologies.

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Can someone please guide me (with an example if possible) on Cable Sizing Calculations. I want to learn the step by step procedure alongwith calculations that are performed during the preparation of Cable Sizing Documents. Thanks in advance!
 
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sportynumair said:
Can someone please guide me (with an example if possible) on Cable Sizing Calculations. I want to learn the step by step procedure alongwith calculations that are performed during the preparation of Cable Sizing Documents. Thanks in advance!

Welcome to the PF. What is the context of your question? How much current and how high a voltage do you have in mind?

One place to start is with the standard wire tables:

http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm

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Thanks Berkeman...But i want to learn the complete step by step calculation done in (for example oil & gas industries) to prepare cable sizing documents... majorly with a 3phase voltage of 415V...
 
your cable sizing is entirely dependent on your peak amp draw and the type of wire you are using (copper or aluminum and what insulation class). for this example use this chart.

http://lugsdirect.com/WireCurrentAmpacitiesNEC-Table-301-16.htm

say you are installing a system with a 150A motor (72000Watt ~100HP motor based on 480V) using standard copper wire.

if all of your devices (motor starters, contact blocks, disconnect switches) are rated at 75C then you would use a 75C insulation class, ie:THW. as you look down the chart for the THW insulation class you come to 1/0 being equal to 150A

if your devices are rated at 90C you could follow a 90C insulation class, ie: THHN which would bring you to a 1AWG copper wire.

then you would need to consider your amp draw of your control devices (motor starter coils and other loads ie: transformers, relays, sensors). for the ease of this example we will say you have 3KVA (3000Watts) of control device draw which brings you to a grand total of 75000watt draw.

75000watt/480v=156.25A

6.25A does not look like much but you cannot just say eh close enough, 150A is just the Full Load Amps and shouldn't draw that much anyways. (keep in mind motors can draw upwards of 600% their Full Load Amps (FLA) on start up.

for the extra 6.25 amps you will have to use either 1/0 or 2/0 depending on your insulation class.
 
Thank you sparkey...I will study the chart you provided.
 
just note that the chart provided is from the NEC (National Electric Code) and off had am not certain if that is the exact up-to-date chart. I'm not sure where you are from but different countries may have different figures to use (i know mexico for example has no NEC, just industry standards). if you in\going into the EE field in the states, it would be a good idea to have a copy of the NEC on hand.

http://www.nfpa.org/aboutthecodes/AboutTheCodes.asp?DocNum=70&cookie_test=1
 
Alirght thanks for the heads up..If possible can you please provide me with any tutorial on how cable sizing calculations are done?? I work in UAE in an oil and gas Engineering company. Thanks in advance
 

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