How can generatrices be parallel to the y-axis?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of generatrices in the context of a boat's hull geometry, specifically addressing how generatrices can be parallel to the y-axis while the cross-section is perpendicular to it. Participants are exploring the implications of this geometry in relation to buoyancy force calculations in fluid mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the relationship between generatrices and cross-sections, suggesting that if the hull is cylindrical, the generatrix should be a circle perpendicular to the y-axis.
  • Another participant clarifies that the y-axis is perpendicular to the cross-section and is coming out of the paper, which may resolve the initial confusion.
  • A different participant explains that the generatrices are lines running along the length of the hull, indicating that the hull maintains the same shape at that section.
  • Further discussion arises about the language used in the book, with participants noting its complexity and suggesting that it may be outdated.
  • One participant seeks clarification on the meaning of the surface element of the hull, questioning whether it represents a rectangle with specific dimensions related to the cross-section and y-direction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of generatrices and their relationship to the cross-section. Confusion remains regarding the language of the book and its implications for understanding the geometry of the hull.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of the book's language and the assumptions made about the geometry of the hull. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the definitions and relationships involved in the problem.

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How can generatrices be parallel to the y-axis when the cross-section is perpendicular to the y-axis?
CONTEXT: We are finding the the buoyancy force on a boat which is upright in a still water (Fluid at rest) and the only gravity is acting as the external force. So, first we go for imaging a proper geometry of our boat.
See this figure :

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For this figure the book writes:
Fig 8 represents a cross-section normal to the longitudinal axis of the boat (positive y-axis forward). Let us think of the hull as the cylindrical surface with generatrices parallel to the y-axis.

I cannot understand what’s going on in the image. First the book writes that the displayed cross-section is perpendicular to the y-axis and then he writes that the generatrices is parallel to the y-axis. Because according to me generatrix is same as the cross-section, because Wikipedia says that a generatrix is something which when moved forms a complete figure.

So, if our main figure-to-be is cylinder (with axis as the y-axis) then our generatrix has to be a circle perpendicular to the y-axis.

Please help!
 
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You have not read the diagram carefully. The vertical axis is clearly marked "z", so one reasonably assumes that the y-axis is coming out of the paper, perpendicular to the cross section, thus your "problem" is solved.
 
phinds said:
You have not read the diagram carefully. The vertical axis is clearly marked "z", so one reasonably assumes that the y-axis is coming out of the paper, perpendicular to the cross section, thus your "problem" is solved.
How our problem is solved? We knew that y-axis was perpendicular to the cross section. Please explain.
 
Ah, I see. I think the confusion is because the creation of the full boat, based on the cross section, is done by extending appropriate cross sections along the y axis. That is, parallel to the y axis. I misunderstood exactly what you were seeing as the problem where there isn't one.
 
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Adesh said:
How our problem is solved? We knew that y-axis was perpendicular to the cross section. Please explain.
Your Wiki link, in its example section, says that the generatrices of a cone are straight lines in its surface through its apex, and for a cylinder are straight lines along its length (at least if you treat a cylinder as a limiting case of a cone). I think the book intends something similar for the boat - the generatrices are lines running along the length of the hull. By making them parallel to ##y## it is saying that the hull is remaining the same shape, neither widening nor narrowing, at least at this section of the ship.
 
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Thank you @phinds and @Ibix . The language of the book is quite confusing, because after this much explanation the book writes
Let ##d\sigma## be the surface element of the hull. According, to the simplified form of the hull ##d\sigma= ds ~dy## Where ##ds## is the line element of the cross section.

What does he mean by that? Does he mean that ##d\sigma## is a kind of rectangle whose lengths ##ds## lie on the cross-section and breadth is perpendicular to its length and lies in ##y## direction?
 
Adesh said:
The language of the book is quite confusing
The style of the book looks quite old, both the typeset and the language. I'd suggest something a bit more modern if you are having trouble with the language.
Adesh said:
Let ##d\sigma## be the surface element of the hull. According, to the simplified form of the hull ##d\sigma= ds ~dy## Where ##ds## is the line element of the cross section.

What does he mean by that? Does he mean that ##d\sigma## is a kind of rectangle whose lengths ##ds## lie on the cross-section and breadth is perpendicular to its length and lies in ##y## direction?
You appear to have interpreted this particular passage correctly.
 
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