How Can I Derive the Biot-Savart Law?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the derivation of the Biot-Savart Law, exploring its theoretical foundations and assumptions. Participants seek to understand the relationship between the law and other electromagnetic principles, particularly in the context of stationary currents.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting with the Ampere-Maxwell equation and considering a constant current through a current loop, indicating that the time-varying electric field term can be neglected.
  • Another participant references a specific textbook, "Electromagnetism" by Slater and Frank, as a resource for understanding the derivation.
  • A detailed overview of a derivation is provided, beginning with the steady state Ampere-Maxwell equation and leading to the expression for the vector potential, which ultimately connects to the Biot-Savart law.
  • There is a question about whether the Biot-Savart law is applicable only under the assumption of stationary current, which is affirmed by another participant.
  • One participant notes that the Biot-Savart law is empirical, similar to other fundamental laws, and suggests that deriving it may require a more fundamental law that is not yet known.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the connection between the Biot-Savart law and stationary currents, but there are differing views on the nature of the law itself, with some emphasizing its empirical origins and others focusing on its derivation from established equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the assumptions involved in the derivation, particularly the reliance on stationary currents and the implications of using the Poisson solution in the context of electromagnetism.

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Hi Folks,
I have a quick question about the Biot-Savart Law, I know what it is, but I don't know how to derive it. Could anyone give me either links or show me the derivation with origins. I have tried to google it but to no avail.
Thanks in advance for all your help in advance
Kipper
 
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I believe you want to start with the Ampere-Maxwell equation and consider a "constant" current through a current loop. "constant" will mean that you can drop the [itex]\partial E/\partial t[/itex] term.
 
Look at Chapter V of Electromagnetism by Slater and Frank (McGraw Hill 1947). Copies of the 1969 edition are selling for $5.33 and up at Amazon.com.
 
A quick overview of a derivation, starting with the steady state Ampere-Maxwell equation:

[tex] \nabla \times \vec{B} = \mu_0 \vec{J}[/tex]

with [itex]\vec{B} = \nabla \times \vec{A}[/itex], and the gauge choice [itex]\nabla \cdot \vec{A} = 0[/itex], with some vector equation manipulation can show:

[tex] \nabla^2 \vec{A} = -\mu_0 \vec{J}[/tex]

This has the Poisson solution

[tex] \vec{A} = \frac{\mu_0}{4\pi} \int \frac{\vec{J'}}{\lvert \vec{r} - \vec{r}'\rvert} dV'[/tex]

For this steady state current case, the integral over all space here can be restricted to the current loop. Roughly, speaking with [itex]J' dV' = I \vec{\hat{j}}' dl[/itex], computation of the curl of [itex]\vec{A}[/itex] gives the Biot-Savart law.

[tex] \vec{B} = \frac{\mu_0 I}{4\pi} \int dl' \hat{j}' \times \frac{\vec{r} -\vec{r}'}{{\lvert \vec{r} - \vec{r}'\rvert}^3} [/tex]
 
Thanks for all the replies so far, so am I right in thinking that the Biot-Savart law applies only when we assume that there is stationary current?
Thanks for the start on that proof, I need to look further into Poisson solutions in Electromagnetism to understand that step.
Thanks once again
 
kipper said:
so am I right in thinking that the Biot-Savart law applies only when we assume that there is stationary current?

Yes.

ps. Re the Poisson solution. You may actually be familiar with this from electrostatics (subst, \rho, \phi, \epsilon_0, ...)
 
Biot-Savart's law is an empirical law, just like Coulomb's law and Newton's law of gravitation. It is from these laws that Ampere's law, Gauss' law and Gauss' law from gravitation are derived. So to derive the law you sort of need a more fundamental law, which is as of yet not known to mankind.
 

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