How can I evaluate the indefinite integral of dx/x^2*sqrt(4-x^2)?

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The problem involves evaluating the indefinite integral of dx over x squared times the square root of 4 minus x squared, a topic within calculus focusing on integration techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various substitution methods, including trigonometric substitutions such as x=2sin(t) and x=2cos(u). There are attempts to simplify the integral using identities and transformations, with some participants expressing frustration over their progress.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and guidance on the use of trigonometric identities and substitutions. There is acknowledgment of being close to a solution, with ongoing exploration of how different forms relate to the original integral.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the challenge of interpreting the integral and the potential for careless mistakes in calculations. There is also a note about the difficulty of expressing the problem clearly without using LaTeX formatting.

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Homework Statement


The problem reads(from the 4th edition of Stewart Calculus "Concepts and Contexts" pg. 394 #17):

Evaluate the integral.

the indefinite integral of dx/x^2*sqrt(4-x^2)

so this would read out as "the indefinite integral of dx over x squared times the square root of 4 minus x squared"


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The Attempt at a Solution

I tried everything I know. I have been stuck on this problem for over 2 hours now and I just can't see what to do. The back of the book says the answer is

-sqrt(4-x^2)/4x

the frustrating thing is that using substitution I am getting to -sqrt(4-x^2)/x so I feel like I'm pretty close, or just have some careless mistake somewhere I am missing.
 
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Try a trig substitution x=2sint
 
rock.freak667 said:
Try a trig substitution x=2sint

I did already... but I guess I did it wrong.

After the substitution I get to 1/4*integral sin^2t then do I go to the half-angle formula for sin^2t? By doing that I get 1/4*integral(1/2)(1-cos2t), then integrate to get 1/8*(t-.5sin2t).

after that I solved for t using the trig substitution above to get t=arcsin(x/2). I then plug that into 1/8*(t-.5sin2t) to get 1/8*(arcsin(x/2)-.5sin2(arcsin(x/2), which I know is not right :/.
 
To do the integral of 1/sin(t)^2 you are making it harder than it needs to be. You don't need any half angle formulas. What's the derivative of cot(t)? BTW write something like what you mean as 1/(4*sin^2(t)). Using parentheses will save you spelling it out in words.
 
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Dick said:
To do the integral of 1/sin(t)^2 you are making it harder than it needs to be. You don't need any half angle formulas. What's the derivative of cot(t)? BTW write something like what you mean as 1/(4*sin^2(t)). Using parentheses will save you spelling it out in words.

well I see that 1/sin(t)^2 =csc(t)^2, and the antiderivative of that is -cot(t)+c so i get all the way too

-1/4*cot(t) where t=arcsin(x/2). Am I on the right track?
 
If you can figure out why -1/4*cot(t) where t=arcsin(x/2) gives you -sqrt(4-x^2)/(4x) then you are all the way there. Yes, you are on the right track.
 
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Dick said:
If you can figure out why -1/4*cot(t) where t=arcsin(x/2) gives you -sqrt(4-x^2)/4x then you are all the way there. Yes, you are on the right track.

alright thanks a lot. Its really late and I'd rather not spend 2 more hours stuck doing the wrong thing. Your(and others) assistance is much appreciated.
 
nlsherrill said:
alright thanks a lot. Its really late and I'd rather not spend 2 more hours stuck doing the wrong thing. Your(and others) assistance is much appreciated.

You aren't doing the wrong thing! Probably wouldn't take 2 hours to figure out why cot(arcsin(x/2))=sqrt(1-x^2/4)/(x/2) but you are probably right. It will take you even less time in the morning.
 
Dick said:
You aren't doing the wrong thing! Probably wouldn't take 2 hours to figure out why cot(arcsin(x/2))=sqrt(1-x^2/4)/(x/2) but you are probably right. It will take you even less time in the morning.

haha I know I'm not doing the wrong thing. I guess I meant to say I am glad you told me I was on the right track because I wouldn't want to spend more time on this question tonight. 6 a.m. is calling my name for some calculus.
 
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nlsherrill said:
haha I know I'm not doing the wrong thing. I guess I meant to say I am glad you told me I was on the right track because I wouldn't want to spend more time on this question tonight. 6 a.m. is calling my name for some calculus.

Sleep agreeably knowing you'll get it the first thing tomorrow. You are SO CLOSE. Nite.
 
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Firstly it would be a whole lot easier to read if you wrote it in Latex like this:

\int \frac{dx}{x^2 \cdot \sqrt{4-x^2}}

And I can give you the hint that in the chapter dealing with these types of integrals there is a hint on howto solve this integral!
 
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Susanne217 said:
Firstly it would be a whole lot easier to read if you wrote it in Latex like this:

\int \frac{dx}{x^2 \cdot \sqrt{4-x^2}}

And I can give you the hint that in the chapter dealing with these types of integrals there is a hint on howto solve this integral!

Cool! Where's the 'hint' located in the chapter?


Yes I can see that Latex is much easier to read. I guess I'll work on learning to use Latex.
 
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Here is an alternative:
<br /> \int\frac{dx}{x^{2}\sqrt{4-x^{2}}}<br />
Use x=2\cos u to transform the integral to:
<br /> -\frac{1}{4}\int\frac{du}{\cos^{2}u}=-\frac{1}{4}\int \sec^{2}udu<br />
What well known function has derivative sec^{2}x?
when you see a factor of \sqrt{a^{2}-x^{2}} your first thought should be trig substitution.
 

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