How can I express f*dA in terms of u and v for the given function?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves expressing the function f(x,y,z) = x^2yz in terms of the variables u and v, given the transformations x = u + v, y = u - v, and z = u^2 + v^2. The challenge lies in determining how to compute the area element dA using these transformations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to take partial derivatives with respect to u and v, with some uncertainty about how to separate the variables for differentiation. There is mention of using the chain rule and substituting the transformations into the function.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using the fundamental vector product to find the area element and have shared their calculations. However, there is still uncertainty regarding the correctness of these calculations and the overall approach.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted complexity in the relationship between the variables x, y, and z, as they are interdependent, which adds to the difficulty of finding the area element. Participants are encouraged to practice further problems for better understanding.

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Homework Statement


Let f(x,y,z)=x^2yz. Express f*dA in terms of u and v.


The Attempt at a Solution


We're given that
x= u+v
y= u-v
z= u^2+v^2.

The main problem I'm having is that I know I need to take partial derivatives in respect to u and v but I'm not sure how. I did an easier problem that required me to find the area element and I had to take the partial of x in respect to u, then the partial of y in respect to u. In that problem the x, y, z were separated but in this case, x y and z are all together so I'm not sure how to separate them and take the partials to find are element. Thanks :smile:
 
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chain rule
 
so do i just substitute all of those equations into x^2yz and take the derivatives once in respect to u and then once in respect to v?
 
dA is given by the "fundamental vector product": First write the surface as a vector function of the two parameters:
\vec{r}= x\vec{i}+ y\vec{j}+ z\vec{k}= (u+v)\vec{i}+ (u-v)\vec{j}+ (u^2+ v^2)\vec{k}
Now take the derivatives with respect to each parameter:
\vec{r}_u= \vec{i}+ \vec{j}+ 2u\vec{k}
and
\vec{r}_v= \vec{i}- \vec{j}+ 2v\vec{k}

The "fundamental vector product" is the cross product of those two vectors. Since they both are tangent to the circus (in the direction of the "coordinate axes for coordinates u and v) their cross product is perpendicular to the surface and its length is the "differential of surface area"
If I have done the calculation correctly (something I never guarentee!) then
dS= 2\sqrt{2u^2+ 2v^2+ 1}dudv
and f(u,v)dA is
2(u+v)^2(u-v)(u^2+ v^2)\sqrt{2u^2+ 2v^2+ 1}dudv
 
hm...interesting, I'll definitely be doing more problems for practice. Thanks
 

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