How can I interface a DFIG in a multi machine environment?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the modeling and control of a doubly-fed induction generator (DFIG) within a multi-machine environment, specifically in the context of a wind farm that includes synchronous generators and other DFIGs. Participants explore the choice of reference frames for modeling and the implications for phase angles in relation to the network bus.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the reference frame for modeling should be the reference machine in the network or the network bus itself, seeking clarity on how to relate the DFIG to this reference frame.
  • Another participant confirms that DFIG refers to a doubly-fed induction generator, suggesting that modeling can succeed with any choice of reference, but notes that using an infinite bus as a reference is often the simplest approach.
  • A participant expresses the need to connect a DFIG in a wind farm with existing synchronous generators, highlighting that synchronous machines will have a zero phase angle with the network bus, while the DFIG will have a phase difference due to slip, and asks how to determine that angle through modeling.
  • One reply suggests designing control systems as if supplying an infinite bus and then checking performance against the actual system, emphasizing that controls should work well within a reasonable range of connected devices.
  • It is noted that all phase angles are relative, and regardless of the chosen reference point, the relative angles remain the same.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best reference frame for modeling and the implications for phase angles, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the assumptions regarding the choice of reference frame or the method for determining phase angles, leaving these aspects open to interpretation and further exploration.

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Which will be my reference frame while modelling and control - the reference machine in the network or the network bus itself?And if so how do i relate the dfig to this reference frame?
 
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By DFIG, do you mean doubly-fed induction generator, as in a wind generator?

Modeling can usually succeed with any choice of reference. However, choosing the network bus to be an infinite bus (voltage magnitude=100%, and phase angle=0), is both useful and often simplest.
 
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anorlunda said:
By DFIG, do you mean doubly-fed induction generator, as in a wind generator?

Modeling can usually succeed with any choice of reference. However, choosing the network bus to be an infinite bus (voltage magnitude=100%, and phase angle=0), is both useful and often simplest.
Thanks for your reply. But Instead of a single machine infinite bus,I needed to connect a dfig in a wind farm which already consists of synchronous generators and a few dfig's. So the synchronous machines will have a zero phase angle with the network bus but the dfig must have some phase difference with the bus due to the slip, isn't it? If yes, how do I find that angle via modeling?
 
It would probably be wise to design the control ls as if it was supplying an infinite bus, then check the performance against the actual system. A control scheme which must change any time something in the neighborhood changes, is not very good. You want controls which work well within a reasonable range of nearby connected devices. Performance against an infinite bus is a good way to approach that.

Your question was about the reference. All phase angles are relative. No matter which point you choose as reference, the relative angles are the same.

Good luck
 
Thank you so much :)
 

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