How Can I Maximize Output with LM331 Multiplier for Power Meter Design?

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The discussion centers around the design of a power meter utilizing the LM331 multiplier to calculate power by multiplying voltage and current signals. Participants explore the challenges related to the transfer function of the LM331 and how to achieve the desired output corresponding to the input signals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the intended use of the LM331 multiplier to calculate power using the formula P=VIcos(angle) and expresses concern about not achieving the expected output of 6W for given input values of V=3V and I=2A.
  • Another participant questions the output obtained in the example and inquires about the limits of the input signals, suggesting that the full-scale output is 10V.
  • A participant mentions that the LM331 scales the output to 10V, indicating a discrepancy between the expected output and the actual output, which they believe should match the product of the input signals.
  • Another reply emphasizes the need to condition and scale the inputs to achieve the maximum output of 10V for the expected power measurement, asking for clarification on the maximum power to be measured.

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Participants express differing views on how to achieve the desired output with the LM331 multiplier, indicating that there is no consensus on the best approach to scale and condition the inputs for accurate power measurement.

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Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical implications of the LM331's transfer function or the specific scaling requirements for the input signals, leaving some assumptions and conditions unaddressed.

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Hi,

I am designing a power meter which using the multiplier LM331 to multiply the Voltage and Current signal. The voltage and current signal will be go through the sample and hold circuit and the output of the sample and hold will be go into the LM331 multiplier. Power, P=VIcos(angle) and the LM331 having a transfer function of output W = [(X1-X2)(Y1-Y2)/10V]+Z. The problem is for example V=3V and I=2A, Output should be 6W(ignoring the cos(angle)). Due to the transfer function of LM331 i will never get the output 6W that i want. So anyone there can help me out? =)
 
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syee10 said:
Hi,

I am designing a power meter which using the multiplier LM331 to multiply the Voltage and Current signal. The voltage and current signal will be go through the sample and hold circuit and the output of the sample and hold will be go into the LM331 multiplier. Power, P=VIcos(angle) and the LM331 having a transfer function of output W = [(X1-X2)(Y1-Y2)/10V]+Z. The problem is for example V=3V and I=2A, Output should be 6W(ignoring the cos(angle)). Due to the transfer function of LM331 i will never get the output 6W that i want. So anyone there can help me out? =)

What do you get for the output in your example? It looks like full scale is 10V? So what are the limits of your input signals?
 
The multiplier scale the output to 10V..means the output i suppose to get is 10 but it scale to 1. What i need is a multiplier that multiply a signal with another signal and i get the exact output of both inputs. My task is actually get the power of input Voltage and input Current by using a multiplier.
 
syee10 said:
The multiplier scale the output to 10V..means the output i suppose to get is 10 but it scale to 1. What i need is a multiplier that multiply a signal with another signal and i get the exact output of both inputs. My task is actually get the power of input Voltage and input Current by using a multiplier.

You need to condition and scale your inputs, so that you get the max of 10V at the output for the max power that you expect to be measuring. Scaling is all part of making a circuit like you are describing. What is the max power you want to measure (which will give you the 10V full scale output)?
 

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