How can Taylor series be used to prove a difference involving logarithms?

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The problem involves proving a relationship between the logarithm function and an integral involving logarithms, specifically for values of t greater than 1. The original poster is tasked with showing that the difference between log(t) and the integral of log(x) from t to t+1 is bounded by a specific expression.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to utilize Taylor series for log(1+x) to evaluate the integral and relate it to the logarithm function. Some participants question the necessity of using series and suggest integrating by parts instead. Others express confusion over the problem's correctness and the implications of specific values of t.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants offer suggestions on how to manipulate the integral and logarithmic expressions to facilitate the use of series. There is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered.

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There are indications of misinterpretation regarding the problem statement, particularly concerning the bounds and expressions involved. The original poster acknowledges a mistake in their understanding of the problem's requirements, which may affect the direction of the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Prove if t > 1 then log(t) - [tex]\int^{t+1}_{t}[/tex]log(x) dx differs from -[tex]\frac{t}{2}[/tex] by less than [tex]\frac{t^2}{6}[/tex]


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Hint: Work out the integral using Taylor series for log(1+x) at the point 0

The Attempt at a Solution



Using substitution I get:
[tex]\int^{t+1}_{t}[/tex]log(x) dx = [tex]\int^{t}_{t-1}[/tex]log(u+1) du

The taylor series for log(1+x) = [tex]\sum[/tex] (-1)[tex]^{n+1}[/tex]x[tex]^{n}[/tex]/n beginning at n=1.

So
[tex]\int^{t}_{t-1}[/tex]log(u+1) du = [tex]\sum[/tex] (-1)[tex]^{n+1}[/tex]u[tex]^{n+1}[/tex]/[(n)(n+1)][tex]^{t}_{t-1}[/tex] beginning at n=1.

I'm still not sure how to prove what the problem statement is asking me to prove. I see that the first term of the series is multiplied by 1/2 and the second term is multiplied by 1/6 and 1 degree higher so I'm sure that needs to be used somehow, I just don't see how exactly. Any suggestions?
 
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Are you sure the problem is stated correctly? log(x) can be integrated by parts (or look it up) without using series. Then graph to see if the question even makes sense.
 
The problem is correct as stated and makes sense. I need to show that for any t > 1

| ( log(t) - [tex]\int^{t+1}_{t}log(x)dx[/tex] ) - [tex]\frac{t}{2}[/tex] | < [tex]\frac{t^2}{6}[/tex]

Graphing it isn't really sufficient proof
 
False when t=2.
 
My mistake I misread the problem I need to show that for any t > 1

| ( log(t) - [tex]\int^{t+1}_{t}[/tex]log(x)dx ) - [tex]\frac{1}{2t}[/tex] | < [tex]\frac{1}{6t^{2}}[/tex]
 
Any suggestions?
 
Since you are hoping to get t's in the denominator, I would try this. Integrate before converting to series (in spite of the hint). After integrating, then use properties of logs to rearrange (experiment with various ways). Try to get something where you could convert to series. Example: log(t) could be log( 1 + (t-1) ). Right idea, but not good enough, because you want t's in the denominator. So, if you can get log( (t+1)/t ) somehow, then you can write log( 1+ (1/t) ). Finally, apply the series with that. It's worth a try.
 

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