How can the length of a cardioid be calculated using polar coordinates?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the length of a cardioid defined by the polar equation r=a(1-cos θ). Participants are exploring the mathematical principles and transformations involved in deriving the arc length formula for polar curves.

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  • The original poster attempts to simplify an expression for the differential arc length ds and seeks clarification on a specific transformation involving trigonometric identities. Other participants raise questions about the application of the product rule in deriving the arc length formula from rectangular coordinates.

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Participants are actively engaging with the mathematical concepts, offering insights and corrections regarding trigonometric identities and differentiation techniques. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of the product rule, but there is no explicit consensus on the simplification or derivation process.

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There are indications of uncertainty regarding trigonometric identities and differentiation methods, as well as the need for clarity on the application of the product rule in the context of polar coordinates.

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Homework Statement


Find the total length of the cardioid r=a(1-cos theta)


Homework Equations



ds2=r2dtheta2+dr2

ds= integral from beta to alpha sqrt[r2 + (dr/d theta)2]dtheta

The Attempt at a Solution



dr=a(sin theta)d theta

ds2=a2(1-cos theta)2d theta2 + a2sin2theta (d theta2), which reduces to:

ds=21/2a(1-cos theta)1/2(d theta)

I'm good up to this point. My book says that the above equation for ds simplifies to:

2a|sin1/2theta|d theta

I don't see how to arrive at this simplification. Can someone please explain? Many thanks.
 
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I have a separate, basic question related to arc lengths of polar curves. I'm trying to derive the formula ds2=r2dtheta2+dr2, which enables me to compute arc lengths of polar curves by integration, from the rectangular equation for the differential element of arc length, namely ds2=dx2 + dy2.

I know that I need to use the transformation equations:

x=r cos theta and y= r sin theta

My book says that I need to differentiate with respect to theta using the product rule to obtain:

dx/dtheta = -r sin theta + cos theta dr/dtheta

When I differentiate, I get dx/dtheta = -r sin theta. I'm not sure how the product rule fits in, which I presume is where does the second half come from (+ cos theta dr/dtheta). I think I'm missing something basic here.
 
It's a trig trick. 1-cos(theta)=2*cos^2(theta/2). Half angle formula.
 
Dick said:
It's a trig trick. 1-cos(theta)=2*cos^2(theta/2). Half angle formula.

I'm not so strong in trig, but did you mean to say 1-cos(theta)=2*sin2theta/2?

If 1-cos2theta = 2sin2theta, then
1-cos theta = 2sin2theta/2 because we halved the angle cos2theta on the left side?
 
JOhnJDC said:
I'm not so strong in trig, but did you mean to say 1-cos(theta)=2*sin2theta/2?

If 1-cos2theta = 2sin2theta, then
1-cos theta = 2sin2theta/2 because we halved the angle cos2theta on the left side?

Sure. Sorry. That's what I meant to say. Must be getting late.
 
Thanks, Dick.

Any ideas on my proof question from above (my 2nd post)?
 
JOhnJDC said:
I have a separate, basic question related to arc lengths of polar curves. I'm trying to derive the formula ds2=r2dtheta2+dr2, which enables me to compute arc lengths of polar curves by integration, from the rectangular equation for the differential element of arc length, namely ds2=dx2 + dy2.

I know that I need to use the transformation equations:

x=r cos theta and y= r sin theta

My book says that I need to differentiate with respect to theta using the product rule to obtain:

dx/dtheta = -r sin theta + cos theta dr/dtheta

When I differentiate, I get dx/dtheta = -r sin theta. I'm not sure how the product rule fits in, which I presume is where does the second half come from (+ cos theta dr/dtheta). I think I'm missing something basic here.

I would use the product rule on the differentials. dx=d(r*cos(t))=dr*cos(t)+r*d(cos(t))=dr*cos(t)-r*sin(t)dt. Do the same with dy and evaluate dx^2+dy^2.
 
JOhnJDC said:
Thanks, Dick.

Any ideas on my proof question from above (my 2nd post)?

I would use the product rule on the differentials. dx=d(r*cos(t))=dr*cos(t)+r*d(cos(t))=dr*cos(t)-r*sin(t)dt. Do the same with dy and evaluate dx^2+dy^2.
 

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