How can trigonometric substitution help solve this integral?

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The discussion revolves around the integral of (x^2) / (4+x^2)^(3/2), with a focus on using trigonometric substitution for its evaluation. Participants are exploring the implications of this substitution and its application in the context of integration techniques.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the substitution x = 2tan(theta) and its implications for transforming the integral. There are attempts to clarify the arithmetic involved and the relationship between trigonometric identities, such as 1 + tan^2(theta) = sec^2(theta). Some participants express frustration over the complexity of the problem and seek further guidance on their progress.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their intermediate results and questioning the correctness of their approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the manipulation of trigonometric expressions and the potential use of integration by parts. There is no explicit consensus on the next steps, but various strategies are being explored.

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Participants are constrained by the requirement to avoid hyperbolic functions and are navigating through the intricacies of trigonometric identities and integration techniques. There is an ongoing examination of assumptions related to the integral's evaluation.

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integrate (x^2) / (4+x^2)^(3/2)

Im not allowed to apply hyperbolic functions to this and have been trying to solve applying to a 90 deg. angle.

x = 2tan(theta)
x^2 = 4tan^2(theta)
dx = 2 sec^2(theta)

Hopefully you can se where I am going with this (trigonomic substitution)

Im ready to give up!
 
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Hmm that substitution worked for me. I think a similar (or the same) problem appears in Apostol. Anyways try the substitution again. Check your arithmetic and remember that 1+tan^2(x) = sec^2(x). Also don't forget the dx part.
 


Im not forgetting about the dx. I have been working on this for 2 hours now, please give me a little more than that. Here is what I have so far that I believe to be right:

(2)integral tan^2(theta) / sec(theta)
 


colorado said:
Im not forgetting about the dx. I have been working on this for 2 hours now, please give me a little more than that. Here is what I have so far that I believe to be right:

(2)integral tan^2(theta) / sec(theta)

Remember his said thing
tan^2 = 1 + sec^2
Use integration table for finding integral of sec t
 


Oh, you've gotten to that part. Well changing everything to sin and cos you get sin^2(theta) / cos(theta). At this point I think it's easier if you write it in terms of tan(theta)*sin(theta) and then try integrating by parts. I chose u to be tan(theta) and dv = sin(theta)d(theta). Either way you'll have to integrate a somewhat obscure but really rather well-known trig expression.

EDIT, or rootX found an easier way to manipulate that and integrate.
 


Wait nevermind, I was wondering why the integration by parts came out so nicely. If you integrated by parts like I did it is equivalent to just convering sin^2(theta) to 1- cos^2(theta) and dividing by cos(theta) you get sec(theta) - cos(theta) so again it comes down to the antiderivative of sec(theta) which you could look up. The derivation requires an insight.
 
colorado said:
tan^2(theta) / sec(theta)

= (sec^2 - 1)/sec = sec - cos :smile:
 


okay, so now I've got:
(2) integral sec(t) - cos(t)

Do I go ahead and take the integral at this pont? the integral of sec(t) involves (ln) and I don't believe that to be correct.
 
colorado said:
okay, so now I've got:
(2) integral sec(t) - cos(t)

Do I go ahead and take the integral at this pont?

Yes! Why not?? :smile:
the integral of sec(t) involves (ln) and I don't believe that to be correct.

i] why?

ii] try it anyway! :smile:
 
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Yeah if I remember the derivation correctly you multiply sec(x) by [sec(x) - tan(x)]/[sec(x) - tan(x)] and note that in the resulting expression, the denominator's derivative is the negative of the expression in the numerator. This suggests an integral involving ln.
 

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