How Can You Derive the Sine of Alpha from Two Inclined Plane Equations?

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The discussion revolves around deriving the sine of an angle (alpha) from two equations related to an inclined-plane system involving two masses, m1 and m2, and a mass M. The equations describe the forces acting on the system in two different setups.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to combine the two equations to isolate the sine of alpha but encounters difficulties with the variable f and the masses. Some participants question the absence of a specific variable in the target equation, while others suggest creating a diagram to clarify the setups and variables involved.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different methods to approach the problem, including the suggestion to add the equations rather than subtracting them. There is an ongoing examination of how to eliminate the variable f from the equations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes constraints related to the setup of the inclined plane and the relationships between the masses involved. There is an emphasis on understanding the equations without providing direct solutions.

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Homework Statement


"Combining the x-direction conditions in Equations 1 and 2, please show that $$sin ∝ = \frac {m_1 + m_2} {2M}$$"

The two equations below are describing two different setups of an inclined-plane system with a block of mass M attached to a hanging mass of ##m_1## in setup 1 and a higher ##m_2## in setup 2.

Homework Equations


Equation 1 = $$m_1g + f - Mgsin∝ = 0$$
Equation 2 = $$m_2g - f - Mgsin∝ = 0$$

The Attempt at a Solution


For a similar problem, I was able to set the two equations equal to one another and isolate the needed variable. I attempted to do the same, like so $$m_1g + f - Mgsin∝ = m_2g -f - Mgsin∝$$
With this method, I couldn't find any algebraic method which would allow me to add the masses; in order to put ##m_1## and ##m_2## together in any way, I'd have to subtract one from the other. I similarly couldn't cancel ##f##. The best I could do resulted in either ##2f## or ##-2f##.
I'd appreciate any help or guidance to a better solution.
 
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What variable is conspicuous by its absence from the target equation?
 
Could you please make a diagram? If there are two situations please draw them both, and identify the variables.
 
That's a 2x2 Linear Equation System. Try another method to solve it!

Hint: You don't need the f, what is the best method to remove it?
 
Kam Jam said:
... I'd have to subtract one from the other ...
How about adding one to the other instead of subtracting?
 

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