How could a colony of machines/robots affect a planet's atmosphere?

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The discussion explores the potential impact of a colony of nanobots on a planet's atmosphere, particularly how their activities might alter atmospheric composition over time. Participants consider various scenarios regarding the nanobots' energy sources, self-replication processes, and the ecological implications of their existence.

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  • Some participants propose that for nanobots to self-replicate, they would need to process natural substances, which could lead to atmospheric changes similar to biological processes.
  • Others argue that the energy sources used by the nanobots, such as green energy or more destructive methods, would significantly influence the level of pollution and atmospheric alteration.
  • A participant suggests that the nanobots could be viewed as a form of life, impacting chemical balances in the atmosphere over time, akin to how photosynthesis has shaped Earth's oxygen levels.
  • There is a discussion about the potential for the nanobots to either terraform the planet positively or strip it of resources, leading to vastly different atmospheric outcomes.
  • Some participants highlight the importance of the nanobots' structural materials and energy conversion methods, noting that these factors could affect their visibility and the detection of their activities.
  • A later reply questions the assumption that all absorbed energy would convert to heat, suggesting that some energy might contribute to the growth or reproduction of the nanobots, thus affecting the overall energy balance.

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Participants express a range of views on how nanobots might affect a planet's atmosphere, with no clear consensus on the mechanisms or outcomes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific impacts and processes involved.

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Limitations include the dependence on assumptions about the nanobots' design, energy sources, and the specific environmental conditions of the planet in question. The discussion also highlights the complexity of determining the chemical signatures indicative of nanobot activity.

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I'm currently writing about a solar system which humans have just reached but they find that there is a colony of nanobots already 'living' on the planets. Initially from space the crew can see evidence of life but no actual lifeforms - if nanbots had landed on the planet hundreds of thousands of years ago and had developed before humans got there - what circumstances would mean that they emit chemicals which would affect the composition of the atmosphere, similar to how a living thing would, and how might that come about?
 
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In order to self-replicate, they would need to process natural substances (minerals, flora?, etc.) in order to make the materials (metals, glass, silicon for ICs, lubricants) and energy infrastructure to do the replication. Depending on what materials and energy sources are available, that may or may not result in some level of pollution.

If they can do all this mining and self-replication with "green" energy sources like wind/hydro/solar/etc., then the level of pollution for the planet could be pretty low.

OTOH, if they need to do some terraforming to make the planet more "comfortable/hospitable" for them, they may have done some atmospheric engineering toward that end...
 
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Similar to what @berkeman said:
I would think of the nano-entities as if it were a form of life. @berkeman was basically describing a nanobot ecosystem. Resources, energy use and wastes.
The relative abundances of different chemicals would slowly change if an extensive life were presence.
The 21% oxygen atmosphere on earth is an example of that. It was made by photosynthesis not by non-living processes.

An important NASA approach to finding life is to look for "signs of life". Since life is chemical, uses environmental resources and produces chemical wastes. Some chemicals can be identified by telescope, so it is potentially useful. Determining the nano-dude equivalents of the biological changes should lead in the right direction.
At a more general level, looking for things out of equilibrium would indicate something s going on, either alive or requiring of further explanation. This is another level of indicators NASA might look for. This is a lot less specific for identifying life approach however.

Another approach is to identify planets with artificial satellites. This would seem to require a living thing of some kind to put them into orbit.
 
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You need to decide how the boys get their energy. That will guide the rest.
 
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Tail wagging the dog.

It seems to me that what they observe will be entirely dependent on what the creators of the nanobots put them there to do.

It could range from
  • lets clear out all the asteroids and make all the planets into green (or purple) paradises (paradices?)
to
  • lets strip entire the system of all useful metals and leave behind a blasted corpse of a dust cloud made of nothing bigger or more interesting than grains of sand
and everything in between.
 
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Hornbein said:
You need to decide how the boys get their energy. That will guide the rest.
I think composition is somewhat more restraining.
A green plant does mining and self-replication with green energy, namely solar. However, there are reasons why a green plant is visible:
Chlorophyll has a specific reflection spectrum, similar for many plants. There are stones that look green for human eye; but few naturally occurring green stones are indistinguishable from green plant for a spectroscope.

Compare a nano/small robot that uses photoelements.
What does a dark stone do? Absorb sunlight and convert all absorbed sunlight into heat right at the surface where the light falls.

What does a photoelement do? Absorb sunlight, convert some of it into heat at the surface, and convert the rest into electricity... which eventually will be converted into heat where consumed (unless it is stored as chemical energy).

In principle, since you have more freedom with the chemical/spectral basis of photoelement than plants have with chlorophyll, you could camouflage a photoelement to look just like a common natural stone for a spectrometre. With constraints - light coloured stones leave you little absorbed energy to play with. If your robots are small, the better. Because if the energy is to be transmitted far from the photoelement, the spectrometre could see mismatch between absorbed light and emitted infrared; but if the robot is too small for the spectrometre to resolve then the total heat emitted by the robot equals total absorbed light.

And the other is structural materials.

Plants on modern Earth are visible because they need reduced carbon for their structural materials - proteins and polysaccharides - and the most commonly available form of carbon on earth is carbon dioxide. Reducing carbon dioxide to wood leaves surplus oxygen - lots of it, it is a gas with poor solubility and hard to store, so it is best dumped into air.
On a planet where most available form of carbon is atmospheric methane rather than carbon dioxide, plants might oxidize methane into polysaccharides and dump hydrogen into air.

And on a planet where tholins are abundant, with roughly the correct composition for structural polymers except they have the wrong internal structure, a form of life might use solar energy to convert tholins into biomass without leaving waste to detect.
So what do nanorobots consist of?
 
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snorkack said:
the total heat emitted by the robot equals total absorbed light.
Not if some of the absorbed light is used to increase nanobot mass (for growth or reproduction). Energy used to generate more nanobot mass will not show up as heat. It will be stored as the new chemical mass of the nanobots.
 
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