How did Maxwell find the speed of light

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The discussion centers on how James Clerk Maxwell determined the speed of light through his equations related to electromagnetic waves. Participants explore the mathematical derivation and the relationship between constants such as Coulomb's constant and the magnetic constant, as well as the historical context of light speed measurements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that Maxwell calculated the speed of electromagnetic waves by dividing Coulomb's constant by the magnetic constant and taking the square root, resulting in the speed of light.
  • Another participant emphasizes that one solution to Maxwell's equations predicts an electromagnetic wave traveling at approximately 3 x 10^8 m/s, suggesting that this derivation involves vector calculus and differential equations.
  • It is noted that the speed of light had been measured prior to Maxwell's work, leading him to hypothesize that the waves predicted by his equations were indeed light.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the relationship between the constants used in the calculation and the speed of light, indicating a desire for further clarification.
  • Links to external posts are provided for additional context on determining the speed of light from Maxwell's equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the clarity of the derivation or the relationship between the constants and the speed of light. There is ongoing confusion and a request for further explanation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for mathematical understanding to fully grasp the derivation, indicating that the discussion may depend on prior knowledge of vector calculus and differential equations.

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According to this video I was watching Maxwell was looking for the speed of EM waves and just divided coulomb's constant by the magnetic constant and then took the square root and that was the speed of light.

√(Ke0)=√(9e9/1e-7) = 3e8m/s

So why is this a thing? I just don't understand why it works, and how did Maxwell know it was the speed of light?
 
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Which video? Until you tell us that, we don't know whether it's incomplete or whether you're missing something.

One of the solutions to Maxwell's equations is an electromagnetic wave moving at ##3\times{10}^8## m/sec; you will find some good derivations if you google for "Maxwell speed of light derivation". However they will require some vector calculus and solving a differential equation so I don't know if there's a better answer than "Trust us, that's what you get when you do the math" without understanding the math.

The speed of light had been measured and found to be ##3\times{10}^8## m/sec long before anyone had any idea what light was. So when Maxwell worked through the math and found that it predicted waves traveling at the already known speed of light he made an inspired guess - that the waves his equation predicted were light.
 
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Which video? Until you tell us that, we don't know whether it's incomplete or whether you're missing something.

One of the solutions to Maxwell's equations is an electromagnetic wave moving at ##3\times{10}^8## m/sec; you will find some good derivations if you google for "Maxwell speed of light derivation". However they will require some vector calculus and solving a differential equation so I don't know if there's a better answer than "Trust us, that's what you get when you do the math" without understanding the math.

The speed of light had been measured and found to be ##3\times{10}^8## m/sec long before anyone had any idea what light was. So when Maxwell worked through the math and found that it predicted waves traveling at the already known speed of light he made an inspired guess - that the waves his equation predicted were light.

The video is here:
The part that I am referring to happens at about 11;30
It's a pretty simple video, so I don't think I am missing anything, and the video is on caltech's channel so I assume it is credible. I see that the speed of light can be determined from Ampere's Law (which I will not fully understand until the end of this year). I just don't understand why these two particular constants have any relationship to the speed of light.
 

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