B How Do Electromagnetic Stellar Gravity Waves Simulate Sound at LIGO?

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The discussion centers on the nature of gravitational waves and their relationship to sound waves as observed by LIGO. Gravitational waves are fluctuations in spacetime geometry, distinct from sound waves, which require a medium to propagate. The confusion arises from the frequency ranges of gravitational waves, which can overlap with sound frequencies, but they do not propagate through a vacuum like sound does. The conversation references historical experiments by Weber, who claimed to detect gravitational waves at specific frequencies, but it clarifies that these vibrations occurred in a medium, not in space. Ultimately, gravitational waves are not electromagnetic waves, and sound cannot travel through the vacuum of space.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIGO#/media/File:Simplified_diagram_of_an_Advanced_LIGO_detector.png

The axis on the bottom of the graph depicts frequencies between 20-1000 Hz which are sound waves. Again, how can a sound wave (gravity waves) propagate in the near vacuum of stellar space that is vacuum?

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"On September 14, 2015 at 09:50:45 UTC the two detectors of the Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory simultaneously observed a transient gravitational-wave signal. The signal sweeps upwards in frequency from 35 to 250 Hz with a peak gravitational-wave strain of 1.0×10^−21." (Abstract).Abbott, B. P. Observation of Gravitational Waves from a Binary Black Hole Merger. Physical Review Letters. 116, 061102. 2016

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Can you explain how electromagnetic stellar gravity waves (GR) form the effects of sound waves at the LIGO observatory?
 
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carl susumu said:
The axis on the bottom of the graph depicts frequencies between 20-1000 Hz which are sound waves. Again, how can a sound wave (gravity waves) propagate in the near vacuum of stellar space that is vacuum?

Sound waves which are audible to us have frequencies from about 20-20,000 Hz, but other waves exist with these frequencies which are not sound waves. For example, EM waves at this frequency are used for communications.

As for what these gravitational waves use as a medium, the answer is that they are waves in the metric of spacetime. They are, in short, a propagating temporary change in the geometry of spacetime.

carl susumu said:
Can you explain how electromagnetic stellar gravity waves (GR) form the effects of sound waves at the LIGO observatory?

These waves are gravitational waves. Gravity waves, electromagnetic waves, and sound waves are all something different. Gravity waves are waves on the surface of a fluid, such as the wave on the surface of the ocean, while EM waves are waves in the electromagnetic field (light, radio waves, x-rays, etc) and sound waves are a certain type of wave within a physical medium such as water, air, or even rock.
 
In Einstein's paper, "The Foundation of the Generalised Theory of Relativity" (1916), Einstein represents gravity with Maxwell's electromagnetic field using Maxwell's equations.

dh/dt + rot e = 0.........70div h = 0............71rot h - de'/dt = i.........72div e' = p"..........73

(Einstein5, § 20). Einstein is representing gravity with Maxwell's electromagnetic field that is based on Faraday's induction effect but a small stone that is affected by gravity yet unaffected by a magnet of Faraday's law and a three inch lead plate does not produce anti-gravity which proves gravity is not an electromagnetic phenomenon. Stellar gravity waves are electromagnetic waves. The same waves as a radio wave.
 
Weber experimentally detected gravitational waves that have the frequency of sound (1662 Hz). "Further advances are necessary in order to generate and detect gravitational waves in the laboratory." (Weber, Conclusion, 1960). "A description is given of the gravitational radiation experiments involving detectors at opposite ends of a 1000 kilometer baseline, at Argonne National Laboratory and the University of Maryland. Sudden increases in detector output are observed roughly once in several days, coincident within the resolution time of 0.25 seconds. The statistics rule out an accidental origin and experiments rule out seismic and electromagnetic effects. It is reasonable to conclude that gravitational radiation is being observed." (Weber, Abstract, 1970). "EXPERIMENTS AT 1662 HERTZ" (Weber, Intro, 1970).Weber detected gravity waves with the frequency of 1662 Hz using the acoustical vibration of a 750 lb aluminum beam but sound cannot propagate in the vacuum of stellar space.
 
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carl susumu said:
In Einstein's paper, "The Foundation of the Generalised Theory of Relativity" (1916), Einstein represents gravity with Maxwell's electromagnetic field using Maxwell's equations.

No he isn't. To quote Einstein, from paragraph 814 on his translated paper at wikisource:

The equations (60), (62) and (63) give thus a generalisation of Maxwell's field-equations in vacuum, which remains true in our chosen system of co-ordinates.

He's setting up Maxwell's equations in a form which remains invariant regardless of your coordinate system choice.

carl susumu said:
Stellar gravity waves are electromagnetic waves.

That is incorrect.

carl susumu said:
Weber detected gravity waves with the frequency of 1662 Hz using the acoustical vibration of a 750 lb aluminum beam but sound cannot propagate in the vacuum of stellar space.

The "acoustical vibration" is in the aluminum beam, which is being stressed at the frequency of the passing of the gravitational wave (or would be if he had actually detected a gravitational wave, which he did not), it is not in the vacuum. No sound is propagating through space.
 
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