How do I build a palm reader circuit using electrodes?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around building a palm reader circuit that utilizes electrodes to measure the impedance of a hand. The project aims to create a piano-like device where electrodes act as keys, completing a circuit when touched. Participants seek guidance on circuit design, particularly using aluminum tape as electrodes, and explore the implications of hand conditions on impedance measurements.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the project goal of building a palm reader that measures hand impedance and suggests using electrodes as piano keys.
  • Another participant proposes starting with a digital voltmeter (DVM) to measure resistance across palms and questions the effect of hand moisture on impedance.
  • A suggestion is made to search for 'touch circuit' for simple circuit designs that can sense touch on electrodes, mentioning the use of MOSFETs.
  • There is a discussion about the importance of using low voltages and current limits when interfacing with human bodies.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the significance of measuring impedance versus ensuring the circuit is completed by the hand.
  • A humorous suggestion is made to incorporate an LED and a random number generator for fortune-telling as part of the palm reader's functionality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to measure impedance and the use of low voltages, but there is uncertainty regarding the importance of moisture on impedance and the specifics of circuit design. Multiple competing views on the circuit's functionality and design remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need to consider resistance and reactance in their measurements, but there is no consensus on the exact implications of these factors or the best approach to experimentation with a DVM.

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Hi everyone,

I am currently doing a project with a group of friends. The project requires us to build a palm reader which uses electrodes to read the hand's impedance and then do the things that the circuit was designed to do.

My group's idea is to build a piano. We use the electrodes as the piano keys, so when a finger touches it, the finger will complete the circuit (with the palm as the reference point).

However, we don't have any idea of how a circuit that contain an electrode looks like, especially if the electrode is aluminum tape (it is easily available and cheaper than most electrodes). So does anyone have a sample of a circuit that contains an electrode, or any reference I should go to? I tried looking in the internet but have found none so far.

Thanks!
 
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BananaYanana said:
Hi everyone,

I am currently doing a project with a group of friends. The project requires us to build a palm reader which uses electrodes to read the hand's impedance and then do the things that the circuit was designed to do.

My group's idea is to build a piano. We use the electrodes as the piano keys, so when a finger touches it, the finger will complete the circuit (with the palm as the reference point).

However, we don't have any idea of how a circuit that contain an electrode looks like, especially if the electrode is aluminum tape (it is easily available and cheaper than most electrodes). So does anyone have a sample of a circuit that contains an electrode, or any reference I should go to? I tried looking in the internet but have found none so far.

Thanks!

Start by experimenting with a DVM on its resistance setting. What kind of resistances do you measure across palms? Does it matter if the hand is wet or not? In what way does it matter?

You need to be sure to use low voltages (a couple of volts) and current limits when coupling signals to humans.
 
I'd recommend Googling for 'touch circuit'--there are some very simple circuits available which can sense a touch on an electrode (usually, a MOSFET gate being charged up or a circuit being completed, though there are much more sophisticated schemes out there).

As for your actual palm reader, I'd recommend an LED, a random number generator, and a hash table of fortune cookie fortunes! :smile:
 
berkeman said:
Start by experimenting with a DVM on its resistance setting. What kind of resistances do you measure across palms? Does it matter if the hand is wet or not? In what way does it matter?

You need to be sure to use low voltages (a couple of volts) and current limits when coupling signals to humans.

What kind of resistances are there? Basically the project requires us to measure the impedance of our palm... which I guess would include resistance and reactance of the palm.

It does matter if the hand is wet or not, the prof said that it may affect the impedance... however since I want our hands to complete the circuit instead, so I guess the impedance doesn't matter significantly, as long as it allows the current to go through?

How do I experiment with a DVM? So do I just build a simple circuit and try measuring the resistances of the palm?

MATLABdude said:
I'd recommend Googling for 'touch circuit'--there are some very simple circuits available which can sense a touch on an electrode (usually, a MOSFET gate being charged up or a circuit being completed, though there are much more sophisticated schemes out there).

As for your actual palm reader, I'd recommend an LED, a random number generator, and a hash table of fortune cookie fortunes! :smile:

Thanks for the tips, I'll try it out.

Btw, by palm reader I don't mean it necessarily reads our fortune... it's just a device that reads the palm's impedance and do whatever with that value! :D
 

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