How do I evaluate this definite integral in Calc 1?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a definite integral in a calculus context, specifically focusing on the integral involving a square root and a rational function. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the validity of the integral and mentions potential confusion regarding its evaluation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the validity of the integral and discuss the implications of singularities. There are hints towards using symmetry and trigonometric substitutions, though the original poster has not yet covered the latter. Some participants also reference the use of technology to evaluate the integral.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and guidance on evaluating the integral. There is acknowledgment of the integral's properties and the potential for symmetry to aid in its evaluation. The original poster has clarified their initial misunderstanding regarding the integral's formulation.

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The original poster is in a calculus 1 course and has indicated that they are allowed to use technology for evaluation. There is a mention of not having covered certain techniques, such as trigonometric substitutions, which may be relevant to the discussion.

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I am trying to evaluate this integral,

[tex]\[<br /> \int_{ - r}^r {\left( {s\sqrt {1 + \frac{{x^2 }}{{r^2 - x^2 }}} } \right)} {\rm }dx\][/tex]

Is it a valid integral?

If I evaluate it by plugging in r and -r, it becomes undefined.
How else can I evaluate this integral? I'm in calculus 1 and I am guessing
this may be a topic covered in later calculus classes?EDIT: I had the integral wrong. It should be,

[tex]\[<br /> \int_{ - r}^r {\left( {s\sqrt {1 + \frac{{r^2 }}{{r^2 - x^2 }}} } \right)} {\rm }dx\][/tex]

Thanks
 
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The integral is well defined (the singularity you observed is called integrable because it doesn't bother the integral), and you can calculate it really easily. Hint: think about symmetry.

Edit: Haha. Ok Halls, fairly easily. :smile:
 
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Well, not all that "really easily". Opticaltempest, have you covered "trigonometric substitutions" yet?
 
I got the original integral wrong. I updated it in an edit. Sorry

I am allowed to use technology right now to evaluate the above integral.

Using Maple 10 I find the above integral evaluates to

[tex]\[<br /> - \sqrt r \cdot \sqrt { - r} \cdot s\left( {\ln ( - r) - \ln (r)} \right)<br /> \][/tex]

Which simplifies to,

[tex]\[<br /> - r \cdot s \cdot i(\pi \cdot i)<br /> \][/tex]

Which simplified to,

[tex]\[<br /> r \cdot s \cdot \pi <br /> \][/tex]This was what I was looking for :) I haven't covered using trigonometric substitution yet.
I was just curious how I would integrate that without using a CAS.
 
The form seems familiar, from what I remember it may have something to do with the arc length derivation.
 

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