How Do Symmetrical Charges Affect Net Electric Field in a Circle?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of symmetrical charge distributions on the net electric field within a circular arrangement. Participants are exploring the implications of having charges of different magnitudes, specifically a charge of 2q and several charges of q, and how these affect the electric field in both the x and y directions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning how to approach the calculation of angles related to the charge positions and whether assumptions can be made about the net electric field based on symmetry. There are discussions about the implications of replacing charges and the additive nature of electric fields.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the need for careful consideration of assumptions and the geometry involved. Some participants suggest re-evaluating the setup and the contributions of each charge to the net electric field.

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There is a mention of the need to clarify whether the discussion pertains to net charge or net electric field, indicating potential confusion in terminology. Participants are also considering the limitations of applying symmetry arguments in certain scenarios.

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5 positive point charges are uniformly distributed and fixed around a circle of radius R. Determine the net electric field at the centre of the circle in terms of q and R.
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In this case, I know there won't be any net efield in the x direction because it cancels out with each other.
The problem is dealing with the y axis. Am I supposed to presume an angle for each of them or what should I do instead?

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Are you saying that you don't know enough Geometry to calculate the angles you need to know? What is 360/5?
 
I strongly suggest that you stop and think a bit before charging into compute angles. What would the field be if you replaced the 2q charge with a q charge?
 
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Orodruin said:
I strongly suggest that you stop and think a bit before charging into compute angles. What would the field be if you replaced the 2q charge with a q charge?
There won't be any net charge. Since it is 2q, I can assume the net efield is only a +q charge lying on the y axis?
 
jisbon said:
There won't be any net charge.
I hope you mean net electric field, there certainly is a net charge and in any point other than the origin you cannot apply the symmetry argument.

jisbon said:
Since it is 2q, I can assume the net efield is only a +q charge lying on the y axis?
You should not assume anythimg, you should argue for your conclusion. But yes, the electric field is additive. The total electric field will be that of five symmetrically positioned q charges and an additional q charge on the y axis.
 
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Orodruin said:
I hope you mean net electric field, there certainly is a net charge and in any point other than the origin you cannot apply the symmetry argument.You should not assume anythimg, you should argue for your conclusion. But yes, the electric field is additive. The total electric field will be that of five symmetrically positioned q charges and an additional q charge on the y axis.
Yep sorry I meant net efield. If there are 5 q charges positioned as shown, there won't be any net efield because the y and x-axis pretty much cancels out one another. So I can treat the 2q as two separate q charges, then conclude that the net efield is only due to a q charge on the y axis?
 

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