How do we decide if a trajectory is 1D, 2D or 3D?

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The discussion revolves around the dimensionality of trajectories in kinematics, specifically how to determine whether a trajectory is one-dimensional (1D), two-dimensional (2D), or three-dimensional (3D). Participants explore the definitions and characteristics of trajectories, curves, and surfaces, and how these relate to parametrization in different dimensions.

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  • Some participants assert that all curves are intrinsically one-dimensional, while surfaces are two-dimensional and solids are three-dimensional.
  • It is proposed that the number of parameters required for parametrization determines the dimensionality of the object, with curves requiring one parameter and surfaces requiring two.
  • One participant mentions that a trajectory in a 3D space can be studied in a 2D or 1D subspace if it is "flat enough," depending on its curvature and torsion.
  • Another participant references a definition from Dr. Math, stating that the dimension of an object is equal to the number of parameters required in its description, which is often used in kinematics to define the dimension of a trajectory.
  • There is a discussion about the transition from time parametrization to space parametrization, involving the concept of the "line element" and its relation to derivatives of the trajectory coordinates.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of dimensionality in trajectories. While some agree on the intrinsic dimensionality of curves, others explore the conditions under which trajectories can be considered in lower dimensions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific criteria for classifying trajectories as 1D, 2D, or 3D.

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Participants reference various mathematical concepts such as curvature, torsion, and parametrization, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the transition between time and space parametrization and the implications of these transitions on the classification of trajectories.

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Hello Forum,

In kinematics we study motion and the trajectories of moving bodies.

The trajectory is a line (straight or curved) that joins all the positions occupied by the object in the various instants of time. A trajectory has an equation that contains only spatial coordinates (not time t).

For example, a particle moving in a circle in the 3D space: the trajectory equation can be x^2+y^2=16 in Cartesian, r=4 in polar, etc...

Is this trajectory and this motion 2D, 1D or 3D? How do we decide?

There seem to be only one independent variable in x^2+y^2=16 ...

Is a curve always a 1-dimensional object, manifold that lives in a higher dimension space?

thanks
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All curves are one dimensional, surfaces are two dimensional and solids three dimensional.

the test is : How many parameters are required for a parametrisation?

Your curve as f(x,y,z) can be parameterised as x(t), y(t), z(t)

For a surface you require two parameters say, (t,s)

Does this help?
 
A trajectory is a 1D object intrinsically. A trajectory in a 3D space, however, may be studied in a 2D or 1D subspace if the trajectory is "flat enough". Specifically, each trajectory is characterized by its "curvature" and "torsion". If torsion is zero, then the trajectory is in a plane; if curvature is zero, then it is a straight line.
 
Thanks everyone.

From Dr. Math:
"... Although the sphere is a subset of three-dimensional space, it is a two-dimensional object. A circle can exist in either two-dimensional or three-dimensional space (or even higher-dimensional spaces), but it is a one-dimensional object.

A line segment, which is one-dimensional, can be deformed into a circle. We can think of the line as elastic. A circular disk, which is two-dimensional, can be deformed elastically into a sphere.
If you know about describing curves and surfaces parametrically, then, with certain restrictions, the dimension of the object is equal to the number of parameters required in its description..."


So a trajectory is a one dimensional object. But if the points of the trajectory all belong to a straight line then the motion is commonly called one-dimensional. If the points belong to the same plane it is the 2-dimensional and if they belong to a 3D space the trajectory is 3-dimensional. So the statement "the dimension of the object is equal to the number of parameters required in its description" is what it is often meant in kinematics to define the dimension of the trajectory.

Parametrization? The trajectory is either an equation involving only space variables or it is given by by the point of the vector [x(t), y(t), z(t)]. The 3 vector coordinates are functions of time t. Does that mean parametrization?
The 3 space location variables could be functions of the traveled space s along the trajectory itself, as x(s), y(s), z(s), correct?
How would we move from the time parametrization [x(t), y(t), z(t)] to the space parametrization [x(s), y(s), z(s)]?

thanks
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fisico30 said:
Parametrization? The trajectory is either an equation involving only space variables or it is given by by the point of the vector [x(t), y(t), z(t)]. The 3 vector coordinates are functions of time t. Does that mean parametrization?

Yes. In this case t is a parameter, for each value of which you can produce a point of the trajectory.

The 3 space location variables could be functions of the traveled space s along the trajectory itself, as x(s), y(s), z(s), correct?
How would we move from the time parametrization [x(t), y(t), z(t)] to the space parametrization [x(s), y(s), z(s)]?

You would need to find the "line element" ds; it is expressed via the derivatives of x(t), y(t), z(t). Which is going to be a differential equation with s and t. Which you can solve for s(t) and t(s).
 

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