How Do You Calculate AC Waveform Components and Errors?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the components and errors of an AC voltage waveform comprising a fundamental voltage of 100V rms at 120Hz, along with 3rd and 5th harmonics. The voltage waveform is expressed as v(t) = (141.4sin(240∏t)) + (28.3sin(720∏t)) + (14.1sin(1200∏t-1.2)). Participants discuss how to sketch the waveforms of these harmonic components and determine the voltage at 20ms, which is calculated to be approximately 96.88V. The percentage error compared to the ideal voltage is debated, with calculations suggesting an error of around 16.5%. The conversation emphasizes the importance of using appropriate values and methods for accurate waveform representation and error calculation.
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Homework Statement



An A.C. voltage, V comprises of a fundamental voltage of 100V rms at a frequency of 120Hz, a 3rd harmonic which is 20% of the fundamental, a 5th harmonic which is 10% of the fundamental and at a phase angle of 1.2 radians lagging.

i) Write down an expression for the voltage waveform.

ii) Sketch the waveforms of the harmonic compnents.

iii) Determin the voltage at 20ms.

iv) Given an ideal V = 100V rms, what is the percentage error at 20ms


The Attempt at a Solution




part i)

V = Vrms * sqrt2 = 100* 1.414 = 141.4V at 120Hz

3rd harmonic = 20% of 141.4 = 28.28V at 360Hz

5th harmonic = 10% of 141.4 = 14.14V at 600Hz


v = (141.4sin(240∏t)) + (28.3sin(720∏t)) + (14.1sin(1200∏t-1.2))


does this first part look correct?
 
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oxon88 said:
v = (141.4sin(240∏t)) + (28.3sin(720∏t)) + (14.1sin(1200∏t-1.2))


does this first part look correct?
Yes, it looks okay.
 
Ok thanks. So for the sketch I just need to plot the 3rd harmonic and 5th harmonic. What time period would be appropriate?
 
A couple of cycles (of the fundamental) should do. But at least up to 20ms. (Note: the fundamental can also be referred to as the first harmonic.)
 
oxon88 said:
Ok thanks. So for the sketch I just need to plot the 3rd harmonic and 5th harmonic. What time period would be appropriate?

The fundamental should be plotted too (it's the "first harmonic").

Choose a time period that will display at least one full cycle of the fundamental.
 
should it look something like this?


harmonics.JPG
 
You're sketch for fifth harmonic should show x5 the frequency!
 
i think the ans is right...
 
Ok so i have changed the time scale and got this...


does this look as it should?

harmonics.JPG
 
  • #10
That looks more like it. :smile:
 
  • #11
ok great.

iii) Determin the voltage at 20ms.

v = (141.4sin(240∏*0.02)) + (28.3sin(720∏*0.02)) + (14.1sin(1200∏*0.02-1.2))

v = 83.11 + 26.91 - 13.14 = 96.88 vdoes this look correct?
 
  • #12
oxon88 said:
does this look correct?
It does.

Might be worth going back and checking to make sure that the problem did not specify a phase angle for the 3rd harmonic.
 
  • #13
Many thanks. I have checked the original question and there is no mention of a phase angle for the 3rd harmonic.
 
  • #14
ok so last part

iv) Given an ideal V = 100V rms, what is the percentage error at 20ms100v - 96.845v = 3.155v

so would it be 3.155% ?
 
  • #15
oxon88 said:
ok so last part

iv) Given an ideal V = 100V rms, what is the percentage error at 20ms


100v - 96.845v = 3.155v

so would it be 3.155% ?
I'm sure you can't mix RMS and instantaneous values to get anything meaningful.
 
  • #16
ok so would i need to work out the RMS at 20ms?

96.845 / (√2) = 68.5v


then work this out as a % of the 100v rms?


100v - 68.5v = 31.5v = 31.5% error?

am i making any sense?
 
  • #17
oxon88 said:
ok so would i need to work out the RMS at 20ms?

96.845 / (√2) = 68.5v


then work this out as a % of the 100v rms?


100v - 68.5v = 31.5v = 31.5% error?

am i making any sense?
The only calculation that would make sense to me would be based on:

ideal instantaneous value at that time - actual instantaneous value
 
  • #18
Actual instantaneous value at 20ms v = (141.4sin(240∏*0.02)) + (28.3sin(720∏*0.02)) + (14.1sin(1200∏*0.02-1.2))

v = 83.11 + 26.91 - 13.14 = 96.88 v


Ideal instantaneous value at 20ms = 141.42Sin(240∏*0.02) = 83.11v


error = [(83.11v - 96.845v)/100]*100 = -13.735%
 
  • #19
does the answer above look ok?


i have ploted a graph to show actual Vs. Ideal

untitled.JPG
 
  • #20
oxon88 said:
error = [(83.11v - 96.845v)/100]*100 = -13.735%
I would not have divided by 100 when determining fractional error. Some other data value would seem more appropriate.
 
  • #21
ok but the question asks for a % error?
 
  • #22
NascentOxygen said:
The only calculation that would make sense to me would be based on:

ideal instantaneous value at that time - actual instantaneous value
On second thought, it would be better to swap them:

actual instantaneous value - ideal instantaneous value at that time

So if the actual value were a few volts too high, the error would be +ve.
 
  • #23
oxon88 said:
ok but the question asks for a % error?
I was referring to where you divided by 100.
 
  • #24
ah right ok. so...

error = [(96.845v - 83.11v)/83.11]*100 = 16.5%
 
  • #25
How did you decide that 96.845 would be the appropriate denominator here?

EDIT Yes, 83.1V does seem the better choice.
 
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  • #26
changed it now. I saw it was incorrect. It will be 83.11 because that's the ideal voltage at 20ms.
 
  • #27
Oxon88 was the sketch of the waveforms for the harmonic components correct?? I have values for them all but not sure how to construct the sketch as I am unsure of the time intervals to use for the different waveforms.
 
  • #28
Big Jock said:
Oxon88 was the sketch of the waveforms for the harmonic components correct?? I have values for them all but not sure how to construct the sketch as I am unsure of the time intervals to use for the different waveforms.

Yes it was correct. I can't remember what time intervals i used. I can have a look for the spreadsheet and check later for you.
 
  • #29
Perfect Ill try and work it all out now from your images in the meantime
 
  • #30
NascentOxygen or Oxon88 how to do you calculate the various different values for your graph? I can't quite get my head round that part and would be very grateful of a little help with understanding it please...
 

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