How Do You Calculate Observed Angular Velocity from a Reference Frame?

AI Thread Summary
To calculate the observed angular velocity from a reference frame, the formula ω₀ = Δφ₀ / Δt is used, where Δφ₀ is the change in polar angle and Δt is the time difference between observations. The observer must account for the time light takes to travel from the object to the origin, leading to different observation times t₁ and t₂ compared to emission times t₁* and t₂*. An alternative approach involves using basic geometry and the small angle approximation to derive the angular velocity. The discussion highlights the need to simplify the problem using geometric principles rather than complex calculations. Ultimately, the goal is to find a clear expression for angular velocity based on the given parameters.
Adorno
Messages
29
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


Determine the observed angular velocity from the origin of the reference frame for an object shown in the figure. The observed angular velocity is defined as the rate with which the observed direction on the object (measured in radians) changes in time.

f0de3827222c4c5651df70ae25b657e9.png


Hint: The observed angular velocity is the ratio \omega_0 = \Delta \varphi_0 / \Delta t, where \Delta t = t_2 - t_1 and \Delta \varphi_0 = \varphi_0(t_1^*) - \varphi_0(t_2^*) is the change of the angle \varphi, the polar angle which the star position had at times t_1^* and t_2^*. These are the times when the light detected by the observer at t_1 and t_2 was emitted. The object is located at (x_1, y_1) at time t_1^* and it is located at (x_2, y_2) at time t_2^*. However, t_1 and t_2,the observation times at the origin for these two events, are different from t_1^* and t_2^* because light takes a certain time to propagate from the object to the origin of the coordinate system.

Homework Equations


\omega = \Delta \varphi_0 / \Delta t
\omega = \frac{|\vec{v}|sin(\theta)}{|\vec{r}|} (alternative formula for angluar velocity)

The Attempt at a Solution



Before I knew about the alternative formula for angular velocity, I tried solving this question like this:

t_1 = d_1/c + t_1^*, where d_1 = \sqrt{x_1^2 + y_1^2} and
t_2 = d_2/c + t_2^*, where d_2 = \sqrt{x_2^2 + y_2^2}. Also \varphi_0(t_1^*) = arctan(y_1/x_1) and \varphi_0(t_2^*) = arctan(y_2/x_2), so that \Delta \varphi_0 / \Delta t = \frac{arctan(y_1/x_1) - arctan(y_2/x_2)}{d_1/c + t_1^* - d_2/c - t_2^*}.

I think that this is technically correct, but my lecturer said that this isn't what he wanted. He said that we should consider the angle \Delta \varphi_0 to be very small, and that this question could be solved using some basic geometry. I'm pretty bad at geometry so I can't see what I'm supposed to do, but I think it must involve the angle \theta in the diagram and the alternative formula for angular velocity. Could anyone help?
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
maybe expand out arctan (Taylor series) and see what happens? idk how that would make it prettier (only first approximation)
 
Well, as I say, I don't think that what I did at first is what they wanted. I think I have to use the formula given in the question, \omega_0 = \Delta \varphi_0 / \Delta t, as well as the geometry of the diagram to get a new expression for the angular velocity. The question doesn't say what kind of expression I'm supposed to get. Now that I think about, it may be that they want me to derive the other formula for angular velocity, i.e. \omega = \frac{|\vec{v}|sin(\theta)}{|\vec{r}|}, using the geometry of the diagram. I'm not quite sure how to do this though.
 
I multiplied the values first without the error limit. Got 19.38. rounded it off to 2 significant figures since the given data has 2 significant figures. So = 19. For error I used the above formula. It comes out about 1.48. Now my question is. Should I write the answer as 19±1.5 (rounding 1.48 to 2 significant figures) OR should I write it as 19±1. So in short, should the error have same number of significant figures as the mean value or should it have the same number of decimal places as...
Thread 'A cylinder connected to a hanging mass'
Let's declare that for the cylinder, mass = M = 10 kg Radius = R = 4 m For the wall and the floor, Friction coeff = ##\mu## = 0.5 For the hanging mass, mass = m = 11 kg First, we divide the force according to their respective plane (x and y thing, correct me if I'm wrong) and according to which, cylinder or the hanging mass, they're working on. Force on the hanging mass $$mg - T = ma$$ Force(Cylinder) on y $$N_f + f_w - Mg = 0$$ Force(Cylinder) on x $$T + f_f - N_w = Ma$$ There's also...
Back
Top