How Do You Calculate the Counterweight Needed to Balance an L-Shaped Bar?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the counterweight needed to balance an L-shaped bar subjected to a varying force, specifically wind resistance. Participants explore the relationship between the forces acting on the bar and the necessary counterweight to prevent pivoting.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests assistance in finding a formula to calculate the force needed at point 'b' to balance a varying force at point 'a'.
  • Another participant suggests a formula: b = a * y / x.
  • A further explanation is provided, stating that for the bar not to move, the net torque must be zero, leading to the equation ay = bx and rearranging to b = ay/x.
  • Another participant notes that the force due to wind resistance can be approximated as acting at the average point along y, suggesting a modified formula: b = ay/x/2, while cautioning about the effects of velocity gradients and the need for safety factors in engineering applications.

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Participants present different formulas and considerations for calculating the counterweight, indicating that there is no consensus on a single approach. The discussion includes varying assumptions about the application of forces and safety factors.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of considering factors such as the distribution of wind resistance along the bar and the potential need for safety factors in engineering contexts. There are also mentions of assumptions regarding the pivot point and the nature of the forces involved.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in engineering, physics, or mechanics, particularly those dealing with balance and forces in structures.

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I hope this will be an easy one to answer that I could just use a little help with.

I have an L shaped bar where 'X' is on a flat surface. The pivot point is the circle.

Can someone help me with a formula to calculate the force needed at point 'b' , given a certain force applied at point 'a' , to not allow the bar to pivot.

Force 'a' will be a varying force (wind) so I want to make sure I have enough counterweight for force 'b' to allow for this variable.

The fig is not to scale and I plan to have the length of 'X' to be adjustable to decrease the force needed at point 'b' .

I hope this makes sense and thank you for the help !

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b=a*y/x
 
If you want an explanation...

If you don't want it to move/accelerate then the net torque must be zero.

Let's define counter clockwise as positive. Then...

ay - bx = 0

Rearrange to give...

ay = bx
Then
b = ay/x
 
Thankyou very much. This is perfect and exactly what I needed.
 
Um, force being wind resistance is spread all the way along y but can be taken as applying at the average point (y/2) (roughly) to simplify the calculation.

So, b = ay/x/2Be aware though that if the base is on the ground or a surface, there is a velocity gradient increasing with distance from the surface which is the reason for (roughly). If the structure is very tall, this could be a significant consideration. If it's an engineering question, you will need at least double, probably quadruple (according to regulation) b to provide a safety factor. This is especially important for aero forces as they are proportional to velocity squared and wind is gusty.

You may already have taken all this into account, it's not stated.
 

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