How Do You Calculate the Translational Kinetic Energy of Helium in a Balloon?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the translational kinetic energy of helium atoms in a balloon, given specific conditions such as temperature, pressure, and volume. The problem also involves determining how many balloons can be inflated from a helium cylinder.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using the equation for translational kinetic energy and express concerns about missing information, particularly the number of moles of helium. There are attempts to calculate the volume of the balloon and apply the ideal gas law, but discrepancies in units and formulas lead to confusion about the results.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using appropriate units and formulas, while others are exploring the implications of their calculations. There is an acknowledgment of errors in unit conversion and formula application, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to the problem.

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Participants are reminded to express all quantities in basic units, as the problem involves specific measurements that affect the calculations significantly. The original poster is also seeking guidance on a subsequent part of the problem regarding the helium cylinder.

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Homework Statement



A spherical balloon is filled with helium atoms (Note 1 atm = 101.3 kPa).


(i) What is the total translational KE of the atoms if the balloon has a diameter 13.0 cm at 37.0 °C and the pressure inside the balloon is 121.6 kPa?

(ii) The above balloon was filled from a cylinder of volume 0.2 m3 containing helium gas of 190.0 atm and at the same temperature as in the balloon in (i). How many of the balloons in (i) can the cylinder inflate?

The Attempt at a Solution



(i) To find the translational kenetic energy I think I need to use the equation

\frac{2}{3} nRT

But the problem is that the number of moles is not given to us. I tried finding it using the formula n=m/M, but that won't work because I know that the molar mass of helium is 4 g/mol but I don't know what the mass (m) is!

T=37.0 °C + 273.15 = 310.15 K

\frac{2}{3} n(8.314)(310.15)

I can't go any further.
Any help is appreciated. :smile:
 
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You know the pressure and temperature of the gas. The balloon is a sphere, the diameter is given. Can you determine the volume?

There is the universal gas law, which relates the pressure, volume, temperature and number of moles of the gas.

ehild
 
ehild said:
You know the pressure and temperature of the gas. The balloon is a sphere, the diameter is given. Can you determine the volume?

There is the universal gas law, which relates the pressure, volume, temperature and number of moles of the gas.

ehild

Thank you... I get it. But there is still something wrong:

V=\frac{4}{3} \pi r^3
V=\frac{4}{3} \pi (6.5)^3=1150.3

PV=nRT
(121.6 kPa) \times 1150.3 = n (8.314) \times (310.15 K)
n= 54.24

\frac{2}{3}nRT= \frac{2}{3} (54.24) (8.314) (310.15)
=92829.13 J

But this is false because the correct answer must be 210.0 J. I tried different units for temprature and pressure etc but it didn't work... what's wrong?
 
Use appropriate units: m^3, K, Pa.

Also you used a wrong formula for the average translational energy. It is 1/2 RT per degrees of freedom, so 3/2 RT.

ehild
 
ehild said:
Use appropriate units: m^3, K, Pa.

Also you used a wrong formula for the average translational energy. It is 1/2 RT per degrees of freedom, so 3/2 RT.

ehild

Oops that was a typo.

But if I used Pa instead of KPa, the value for n will be huge:

n=54245.3

\frac{3}{2} nRT = \frac{3}{2} (54245.3)(8.314)(310.15)

The answer will be a VERY huge number. It's very far from 210.0 J! :(
I used the right formula & the right units, why is my answer so wrong?
 
Express all quantities in the basic units. kPa means 10^3 Pa, cm means 0.01 m. Use the units during your calculations.

For example,

<br /> V=\frac{4}{3} \pi (0.065 m)^3=1.1503 \cdot 10^{-3} m^3<br />

ehild
 
ehild said:
Express all quantities in the basic units. kPa means 10^3 Pa, cm means 0.01 m. Use the units during your calculations.

For example,

<br /> V=\frac{4}{3} \pi (0.065 m)^3=1.1503 \cdot 10^{-3} m^3<br />

ehild

Thank you SO much! I got it.

Now, any hints on how to solve part (ii)? I absolutely have no clue how to approach this problem...
 
Now you know the moles in the balloon. Calculate the moles in the cylinder.

ehild
 

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