How Do You Calculate Total Impedance in a Tuned R-LC Circuit?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the total impedance in a tuned R-LC circuit, including the bandwidth, half-power frequencies, and the values of resistance (R) and inductance (L). Participants explore various methods to determine the impedance at resonance and at frequencies deviating from resonance.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a set of calculations for bandwidth and half-power frequencies, suggesting values for R and L based on given parameters.
  • Another participant proposes an approximation for the impedance magnitude in high-Q circuits, indicating a relationship between the impedance at resonance and at fractional frequency deviations.
  • Multiple methods for calculating total impedance are discussed, including using voltage and current, dynamic impedance equations, and a formula from a textbook, leading to different impedance values.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about which calculated total impedance is correct, questioning if multiple approaches could yield acceptable results.
  • One participant acknowledges a clearer understanding of the impedance calculations after reviewing the discussion, noting the sharpness of the graph for high-Q circuits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on which method for calculating total impedance is correct, as multiple competing views and calculations are presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to find total impedance.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential dependencies on assumptions about the circuit parameters and the specific definitions used in the calculations. The discussion also highlights the complexity of impedance calculations in high-Q circuits.

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Homework Statement



Given data of the given tuned R-LC circuit:

Q=1000
f_{resonance} = 1MHz
I = 15 \mu A
V_{s} = 2.5V
R_{L} = 10kΩ
C=2nF

Calculate the bandwidth, half-power frequencies, the value of R and L.
Estimate the impedance offered to the supply at resonance and at the frequencies of \pm2% from resonance.

Homework Equations



BW = \frac{f_{r}}{Q}

f_{lower}=f_{r} \Big( \sqrt{\frac{1}{4Q^2}+1}-\frac{1}{2Q} \Big)

f_{upper}=f_{r} \Big( \sqrt{\frac{1}{4Q^2}+1}+\frac{1}{2Q} \Big)

f_{r}=\frac{1}{2\Pi} \sqrt{\frac{1}{LC}}

Q=\frac{2\Pi f_{r}L}{R}

R_{dynamic}=RQ^2

\frac{Z}{R_{D}}=\frac{1}{1+j2Q\frac{δf}{f_{r}}}

The Attempt at a Solution



BW=1000Hz

f_{lower}=999.5kHz

f_{upper}=1000.5kHz

L=25.33 \mu A

R=0.159Ω

Do these calculations appear to be correct?

I'm struggling to find total impedance of the circuit, although I have some idea:

Is it simply Z=\frac{V_{s}}{I}=166.67kΩ?

or Y=j2\Pi f_{r}C+\frac{1}{R+j2\Pi f_{r}L} then Z=\frac{1}{Y}

from which I get Z=159006+j4780 Ω plus R_{L} total impedance comes to Z_{t}=169006+j4780 Ω

or from dynamic impedance equation Z=RQ^2=159kΩ plus R_L again Z_t=169kΩ

or this is a bit complicated but I found it in the textbook:
Z= \frac{R \Big( 1+\frac{(2\Pi f_r)^2L^2}{R^2} \Big) }{1+j(2\Pi f_r)\frac{L}{R} \Big( \frac{C}{L}R^2+(2\Pi f_r)LC-1 \Big) } from which I get Z=159138+j1700 Ω plus R_L again Z_t=169138+j1700Ω

Which of the total impedance is right? Maybe all of them are acceptable? Or a fifth one?

And as of to find total impedance at the frequencies \pm 2%:

From the relevant equation I've got Z=99-j3972Ω plus R_L → Z_t=10099-3872Ω

Your comments are greatly appreciated.
 

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For high-Q circuits like this one you need to use approximations.

You should be able to derive the following:
|Z|/Zo ~ {1 + (2Qδ)2}-1/2

where |Z| is magnitude of the RLC network impedance (as seen by RL) at fractional freequency deviation δ, and Zo is the RLC network (real) impedance at resonance.

δ = (ω - ωo)/ωo
f = frequency, Hz
ωo = resonant frequency
Q = quality factor at resonance.

You can then compute R and L for the RLC network and go on from there.

The sequence of computations might be ωo → L → R → half-power δ → Zo → |Z|2%.
 
Right, I think I get it. This is similar approach than mine and I get the same results. I was overthinking a bit on Z as such a high-Q circuit has a very sharp-edged graph.
That's one more tiny step towards my degree. Thank you!
 
bizuputyi said:
Right, I think I get it. This is similar approach than mine and I get the same results. I was overthinking a bit on Z as such a high-Q circuit has a very sharp-edged graph.
That's one more tiny step towards my degree. Thank you!

Good luck to you!
 

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