How Do You Find the Inverse of a Matrix Using the Adjoint Method?

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The discussion revolves around finding the inverse of a 3x3 matrix using the adjoint method. Participants explore the steps involved in calculating the adjoint matrix and the determinant, while addressing errors and uncertainties in their calculations.

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  • One participant presents a matrix and states the need to find its inverse using the adjoint method, mentioning the determinant as 4.
  • Another participant describes the process of calculating the adjoint by deleting rows and columns to find determinants of 2x2 matrices, noting that some results may be zero.
  • Several participants express confusion over the calculation of determinants and the proper method for constructing the adjoint matrix, with some claiming incorrect results.
  • There are multiple attempts to calculate the adjoint matrix, with differing results and methods presented, leading to further questions about correctness.
  • Participants discuss the importance of not including the original element when calculating the adjoint and emphasize the need to replace it with the determinant of the smaller matrix.
  • One participant suggests checking results by multiplying the original matrix with the calculated inverse to verify correctness.
  • There is acknowledgment of errors in calculations, with participants expressing uncertainty and a desire to identify mistakes in their processes.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct method or results for finding the adjoint matrix and its inverse. There are multiple competing views and ongoing confusion about the calculations.

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Some calculations are incomplete or incorrect, and participants express uncertainty about specific steps in the adjoint method. There are unresolved issues regarding the proper handling of determinants and the construction of the adjoint matrix.

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$\textsf{Find the inverse of matrix} $
$$A=\left|
\begin{array}{rrr}
1&0&2\\ 1&0&0 \\ 3&2&0
\end{array}
\right|$$
$\textsf{by method of adjoint matrix }\\$
$\textsf{adj $A = |C_{ij}|^T$}\\$
$\textsf{det $A =4$}\\$
$\textsf{so then}\\$
$A^{-1}=\frac{1}{det A}(adj A)=
\frac{1}{4}(adj A)$
$\textit{ok I don't know how to get (adj A)}$
 
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It's a little tedious.

Pick each element in the 3x3 matrix, one at a time.

Delete the row and the column and calculate the determinant of the remaining 2x2 matrix.

Replace the selected element with the result.

Do this for each of the nine elements. Some of the results might be 0.

Don't forget the cofactor for each.

Transpose and you are done.
 
Pick each element in the 3x3 matrix, one at a time.

Delete the row and the column and calculate the determinant of the remaining 2x2 matrix.

like this?
$A=\left| \begin{array}{rrr} 1&0&2\\ 1&0&0 \\ 3&2&0 \end{array} \right|\\$
$=\begin{bmatrix}0& 0 \\ 2& 0 \\\end{bmatrix}
+0
+2\begin{bmatrix}1& 0 \\ 3& 2 \\\end{bmatrix}
+\begin{bmatrix}0& 2 \\ 2& 0 \\\end{bmatrix}
+0+0
+3\begin{bmatrix}0& 2 \\ 0& 0 \\\end{bmatrix}
+2\begin{bmatrix}1& 2 \\ 1& 0 \\\end{bmatrix}\\$
$=0+0+2(2)-4+0+0+0+2(-2)=-4$

ok W|A says it is 4 ?
 
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karush said:
like this?

$A=\left| \begin{array}{rrr} 1&0&2\\ 1&0&0 \\ 3&2&0 \end{array} \right|\\$
$=\begin{bmatrix}0& 0 \\ 2& 0 \\\end{bmatrix}
+0
+2\begin{bmatrix}1& 0 \\ 3& 2 \\\end{bmatrix}
+\begin{bmatrix}0& 2 \\ 2& 0 \\\end{bmatrix}
+0+0
+3\begin{bmatrix}0& 2 \\ 0& 0 \\\end{bmatrix}
+2\begin{bmatrix}1& 2 \\ 1& 0 \\\end{bmatrix}\\$
$=0+0+2(-1)+0+0+0+0+2(-2)=-6$ok W|A says it is 4 ?
No. You calculated them all, but then you added all the pieces. Don't do that. Do one at a time and substitute them into a new matrix - replacing the element you used to produce the smaller matrix. You should get a new 3x3 matrix out of the process.
 
tkhunny said:
No. You calculated them all, but then you added all the pieces. Don't do that. Do one at a time and substitute them into a new matrix - replacing the element you used to produce the smaller matrix. You should get a new 3x3 matrix out of the process.

$$\begin{vmatrix}0& 0& -2 \\ -4& 0& 0\\ 0& -4& 0
\end{vmatrix}$$

not convinced this is correct
but couldn't find error
 
karush said:
$$\begin{vmatrix}0& 0& -2 \\ -4& 0& 0\\ 0& -4& 0
\end{vmatrix}$$

not convinced this is correct
but couldn't find error
Closer, but the Adjunct piece does NOT include the element itself. You still think you're trying to evaluate a determinant. That is not what you are doing. You must find all nine 2x2 matrices and evaluate their determinants. The element is replaced in each case. Don't multiply by it.
 
tkhunny said:
Closer, but the Adjunct piece does NOT include the element itself. You still think you're trying to evaluate a determinant. That is not what you are doing. You must find all nine 2x2 matrices and evaluate their determinants. The element is replaced in each case. Don't multiply by it.

$=\begin{bmatrix}0& 0 \\ 2& 0 \\\end{bmatrix}
+0
+\begin{bmatrix}1& 0 \\ 3& 2 \\\end{bmatrix}
+\begin{bmatrix}0& 2 \\ 2& 0 \\\end{bmatrix}
+0+0
+\begin{bmatrix}0& 2 \\ 0& 0 \\\end{bmatrix}
+\begin{bmatrix}1& 2 \\ 1& 0 \\\end{bmatrix}+0$$\begin{bmatrix}0& 0 &-2 \\ 4& 0 &0 \\ -2& 2& 0 \end{bmatrix}$

W|A gave this as inverse?

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karush said:
$=\begin{bmatrix}0& 0 \\ 2& 0 \\\end{bmatrix}
+0
+\begin{bmatrix}1& 0 \\ 3& 2 \\\end{bmatrix}
+\begin{bmatrix}0& 2 \\ 2& 0 \\\end{bmatrix}
+0+0
+\begin{bmatrix}0& 2 \\ 0& 0 \\\end{bmatrix}
+\begin{bmatrix}1& 2 \\ 1& 0 \\\end{bmatrix}+0$$\begin{bmatrix}0& 0 &-2 \\ 4& 0 &0 \\ -2& 2& 0 \end{bmatrix}$

W|A gave this as inverse?
This is the Adjunct Matrix:

$\begin{bmatrix}0& 0 &2 \\ -4& -6 &2 \\ 0& -2& 0 \end{bmatrix}$

Please reproduce the results.

After applying the cofactors

$\begin{bmatrix}0& 0 &2 \\ 4& -6 &-2 \\ 0& 2& 0 \end{bmatrix}$

Please reproduce the results.

Transpose and you should be done.
 
tkhunny said:
This is the Adjunct Matrix:

$\begin{bmatrix}0& 0 &2 \\ -4& -6 &2 \\ 0& -2& 0 \end{bmatrix}$

Please reproduce the results.

Transpose and you should be done.

Ok I don't see how you got the Adjunct Matrix

what do you mean "reproduce the results"
 
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This is the Adjunct Matrix:

$\begin{bmatrix}\begin{vmatrix}0& 0 \\ 2& 0 \end{vmatrix}& \begin{vmatrix}1& 0 \\ 3& 0 \end{vmatrix} &\begin{vmatrix}1& 0 \\ 3& 2 \end{vmatrix} \\ \begin{vmatrix}0& 2 \\ 2& 0 \end{vmatrix}& \begin{vmatrix}1& 2 \\ 3& 0 \end{vmatrix} &\begin{vmatrix}1& 0 \\ 3& 2 \end{vmatrix} \\ \begin{vmatrix}0& 2 \\ 0& 0 \end{vmatrix}& \begin{vmatrix}1& 2 \\ 1& 0 \end{vmatrix}& \begin{vmatrix}1& 0 \\ 1& 0 \end{vmatrix} \end{bmatrix}$

Don't ever make me do that again. :-)

Every element is replaced by the determinant of the smaller matrix created be deleting its row and column. The original element is gone. We're creating a new animal.

Supply the cofactors.
Transpose.
You're done.
 
  • #11
I presume this...
$\text{3. } A^{-1}
=\displaystyle\frac{1}{det A}(adj A)
=\frac{1}{4}
\begin{bmatrix}0& 0 &2 \\ -4& -6 &2 \\ 0& -2& 0 \end{bmatrix}$
 
  • #12
Seems there should be a Transpose in there.

Please check your results. Multiply by the original matrix. What should be the result?
 
  • #13
thusly...

$\text{3. } A^{-1}
=\displaystyle\frac{1}{det A}(adj A)
=\frac{1}{4}
\begin{bmatrix}
0& 0 &2 \\ -4& -6 &2 \\ 0& -2& 0
\end{bmatrix}^T
=\frac{1}{4}
\begin{bmatrix}
0& -4 &0\\ 0& -6 &-2 \\ 2& 2& 0
\end{bmatrix}$
$= \begin{bmatrix}
0& -1 &0\\ 0& -3/2 &-1/2 \\ 1/2& 1/2& 0
\end{bmatrix}$
 
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  • #14
Did you check it?
 
  • #15
I know there are errors but couldn't find them
 
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karush said:
I know there are errors but couldn't find them

Keep looking.

Be more careful and systematic.

You'll learn more. Plus, the process will annoy you a little and you'll be even more careful on the next problem.
 

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