How do you know if the rest mass changes or not?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of rest mass in the context of collisions, particularly inelastic collisions, and how it may or may not change. The original poster references a textbook that presents conflicting information regarding the rest mass of composite systems after collisions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between rest mass and energy in collisions, questioning when rest mass changes and the implications of heating in inelastic collisions. There are inquiries about the mathematical methods related to four-momentum and how they relate to rest mass calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering insights into the nature of rest mass and its calculation. Some guidance has been provided regarding the distinction between individual rest masses and the invariant mass of a system, though no consensus has been reached on the original poster's question.

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There is mention of a transition from mechanics to more formal treatments in relativity, suggesting that the participants are navigating foundational concepts before delving into more complex mathematical frameworks.

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My book says that if two objects collide completely inelastically, the rest mass of the composite is greater than the sum. I assume this happens because the objects heat up and this is counted in their energy.

However, in other problems the book assumes the rest mass of objects/particles is the same before and after collisions. Explanations are sparse.

How do you know if the rest mass changes or not?
 
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I am guessing this is a book on relativity? What mathematical methods have you been through so far? Have you learned how to calculate the four-momentum of a system yet? and how to get the rest mass from this? It would be best to understand it mathematically, but I could help with an intuitive explanation if you haven't been through the maths yet.
 
End of a book on mechanics. The next chapter is more formal. I would just like an intuitive grasp of what the rest mass is and how to set up simple conservation law equations such as in compton scattering.
 
hmm. I could write out a big paragraph explaining 4-momentum as well as I can, but I don't think the homework section is the right place for that kind of thing. But I can help with the confusion you had in your first post. Right, so the rest mass of two particles is not just the sum of their individual rest masses. I think this is where the confusion stemmed from.

Edit: Also, when several particles are involved, it is often called the 'invariant mass' of the system, and is usually just called 'rest mass' when only one particle is involved.
 
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