How Do You Solve This Integral Involving W(x) and W1(x)?

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The discussion revolves around the integral involving the functions W(x) and W1(x), specifically the expression \(\int \frac{W(x) W_1(x)}{x} \left(\frac{1}{W(x)+1} + \frac{1}{W_1(x)+1}\right) dx\). The original poster is exploring the challenge of solving this integral and has a conjectured result.

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  • Participants discuss the integrability of the expression and potential restrictions on the domain, particularly noting singularities at specific points. There are inquiries about the definitions and properties of the functions involved, as well as the validity of the original poster's conjectured result.

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Some participants have provided insights into the nature of the functions and their integrability, while others have clarified the significance of singularities. The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored regarding the integral and its components.

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There are mentions of specific points where the functions may not be defined, such as at x=0 and x=-e^(-1), which raises questions about the appropriate domain for the integral. The original poster's approach to deriving the integrand from a derivative is also noted, contributing to the discussion of the integral's properties.

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This isn't a homework problem. I challenged myself to see if I could make this work... but I couldn't. Now I'm asking for help on it.

The question is simple.

\int \frac{W(x) W_1(x)}{x} \left(\frac{1}{W(x)+1} + \frac{1}{W_1(x)+1}\right) dx

Now I have what this equals right here (W(x) W_1(x) + C), but I don't know how to get there. Can anyone help me out?
 
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Are there any restrictions? Certainly, this expression is not always integrable.
 
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
Are there any restrictions? Certainly, this expression is not always integrable.

Well, from what I can tell, the function isn't defined at x=0 or x=-e^(-1). So, I suppose we can restrict the domain to (0, infinity)?
 
Char. Limit said:
Well, from what I can tell, the function isn't defined at x=0 or x=-e^(-1). So, I suppose we can restrict the domain to (0, infinity)?

Where did you get the -e^(-1) from?
My concern is not just the singularities of x but the actual functions w(x) and w1(x).
There might not be defined or even riemann integrable.
 
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
Where did you get the -e^(-1) from?
My concern is not just the singularities of x but the actual functions w(x) and w1(x).
There might not be defined or even riemann integrable.

Well, here's the article on the W function, if it helps...

I got the -e^(-1) because 1/(W(x)+1) is singular at the point x=-1/e. I was certain that the functions are defined, and believe that they are integrable, because I found the integrand by taking a derivative.
 
Char. Limit said:
Well, here's the article on the W function, if it helps...

I got the -e^(-1) because 1/(W(x)+1) is singular at the point x=-1/e. I was certain that the functions are defined, and believe that they are integrable, because I found the integrand by taking a derivative.

This makes a lot more sense now!
I was not aware of this function or notation so the integral seemed strange to me. Thanks for claring that up.

I will look into this tomorrow after my finals. :-)
 
Try verifying that the derivative of

W(x) \; W_1(x) + C

is the integrand.
 
Char. Limit said:
This isn't a homework problem. I challenged myself to see if I could make this work... but I couldn't. Now I'm asking for help on it.

The question is simple.

\int \frac{W(x) W_1(x)}{x} \left(\frac{1}{W(x)+1} + \frac{1}{W_1(x)+1}\right) dx

Now I have what this equals right here (W(x) W_1(x) + C), but I don't know how to get there. Can anyone help me out?

Well, the derivative of W(x) is

\frac{dW(x)}{dx} = \frac{W(x)}{x(1+W(x))}

so what your integral is is:

\int dx~\left( \frac{W(x)}{x(1+W(x))}W_1(x) + W(x) \frac{W_1(x)}{x(1+W_1(x))}\right)
=\int dx~\left( \frac{dW(x)}{dx}W_1(x) + W(x) \frac{dW_1(x)}{dx}\right) = \int dx \frac{d(W(x)W_1(x))}{dx} = W(x)W_1(x) + C

Since you got the integrand by taking a derivative, this is really just reversing the steps, but I don't know what else you would be looking for in terms of solving this integral.
 

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